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LazarouINC

The thing that drives me mad about cameras is viewfinder dust. I have been a Canon 1 series user for years and never had a problem. But the X100 and X10 drove me mad, I had finder dust in a few days. This was unbelievable for cameras of this price. So will I go out and buy the X Pro 1 only to find dust in there in a few days again. A camera at this price should be sealed and never get dust in it. So does anyone know if Fuji are sealing it from dust or is it going to be another crapy flaw.

pcg

"another crapy flaw"?? Ouch.

Christopher

No one knows yet, it has never been discussed by Fujifilm.

snoorani

if it has not been discussed, they haven't done anything about it. there are so many complains about performance of AF system, as well as lack of true manual focus, rather than 'focus by wire', but Fuji has not commented anything on it yet. i have ordered mine and decided to live with whatever the surprise may be. we will all see.

pcg

That's just a little bleak, snoorani. The designs and benefit of Fuji's X series cameras far outweigh their irritations. And no camera is perfect. I'd suggest lightening up.

kiwi

Join to complain is so typical of the Internet. You see it on virtually every forum and you cannot take any post like that seriously until the poster has a history that indicates that they are serious about what they are saying. Often with these sort of posts they are simply a hit and run excercise.

ebonflow

kiwi said:
Join to complain is so typical of the Internet. You see it on virtually every forum and you cannot take any post like that seriously until the poster has a history that indicates that they are serious about what they are saying. Often with these sort of posts they are simply a hit and run excercise.

So true, I joined just so I could agree with this comment.
(Actually I'm just trying to fill in time until my X-Pro1 arrives)

pcg

@kiwi Yup. +1

LazarouINC

Its a valid comment I bought the X100 on the day of release only to find crap in the viewfinder within 2 days. So if Fuji are claiming this is a camera aimed at the pros, well I am a full time pro and I don't want crap in the finder ever. I don't get it on my Canon 1 series body's, I never got it in my Nikons when I used them. I have sold some gear to raise £2500 to spend on the X Pro 1 and some lenses on release date. But if the finder isn't sealed on a £1400 body camera body then shame on you Fuji.

pcg

Isn't this a case of complaining about something that may not even exist as a problem? Already we're hearing "shame on you Fuji" without having a clue that dust will be a problem in the X-Pro.

If it is, complaints are valid. But until there's clarification, reading this becomes somewhat humorous.

gregvds

What's worse is the very bad AF, pcg! LOL.

pcg

+1

lol

kiwi

I've heard that the X-Pro1 will have an orb issue and that because Fuji have never specifically denied that it will not have orbs then that is proof that the issue exists and is a real problem.
Further proof is in the fact that no "leaked" photos exist of scenes where orbs would be present. Fuji are obviously censoring their pro testers and bloggers.

mattmaber

lol at the tearing down of a product before using it.
Fuji haven't mentioned anything about wings either so I doubt it'll fly. damn them!

flysurfer

From what I hear, Fuji is working on making sure that production models remain free of dust particles that appear to be "out of specifications".

kiwi

mattmaber said:

Fuji haven't mentioned anything about wings either so I doubt it'll fly.

From what I have heard about some of the frustrations people have had with X100s I wouldn't be too sure about that. :-)

LazarouINC

For a £1400 body it should be sealed and Fuji should be saying if its weather and environmentally sealed or not it's a pro camera. Canon say, Nikon say and so do any other maker of pro cameras. But Fuji haven't said if it is, so I wouldn't want to invest if its not.

kiwi

What various manufacturers say or don't say is entirely up to them and their perception of what information the market needs. I also think a camera in this class should be environmentally sealed but I'm not going to get my knickers in a knot just because Fuji don't address every single issue I have by press release. I will simply take my time, read detailed reviews from reputable sites and owner reports then if I am interested I will go to a store and physically look at the camera and lens and if I am still interested I will as an adult make up my own mind whether to purchase or not purchase based on a variety of information plus my own thoughts.
The problem in 2012 is that many people seem to believe that they should be told what to think and that somebody else should always be accountable for decisions they don't seem to want to make.

mattmaber

@kiwi - I blame the internet! ;)

kiwi

In many ways that is not far from the truth unfortunately.

pcg

@kimi Give 'em hell! +10

artm

Who said the X series (all of them) are sealed? Not Fuji. I wasn't foolish enough to believe that when I bought my X10, knowing full well it wouldn't compare with my Nikon D300 in that respect.

So, yes, LazarouINC, just put up with it. But...

DON'T let anyone here tell you you shouldn't be complaining about Fuji products. We have plenty of users here who swear to the almighty Fuji god to no end. I like a little balance or, should I say, RETURN TO REALITY.

gregvds

Well, to be honest, Leica M's are not weather sealed either, but they are very well built indeed, and dust is actually entering my viewfinder since 97 a little bit. I asked for it, and the guy at my usual shop told me not to bother too much. At least, unless the telemeter is not off, it's not worth paying big bucks for Leica to clean it now. I can live with it.

In comparison, the first speck of dust entered my X100 viewfinder the next day after I bought it, by just gently blowing dust off the front window of the viewfinder. I did not excpect the body to be sealed, but not that open to air movement. They could at least have put around the front window and the top cap a kind of tiny sheet of black foam or minute amount of rubber join... I still dream some independant freek would offer such service (put where it's possible some kind of protection inside the camera.

I just went for an awful Hoya multicoated UV filter, just to shut the front of the lens, to be sure.

cosinaphile

artm said:
Who said the X series (all of them) are sealed? Not Fuji. I wasn't foolish enough to believe that when I bought my X10, knowing full well it wouldn't compare with my Nikon D300 in that respect.

So, yes, LazarouINC, just put up with it. But...

DON'T let anyone here tell you you shouldn't be complaining about Fuji products. We have plenty of users here who swear to the almighty Fuji god to no end. I like a little balance or, should I say, RETURN TO REALITY.

+!1
given a choice between a site being populated by honest criticism by folks who use and have experience with a cameras faults and benefits , or one run by a mob of fanboys who object
to any mention of reality or anything less than mindless worship

well ill take reality any day over mindlessness , my x10 and x 100 both have issues , they both are far from perfect they both are slow at times, or display poor design and software
implementation ..... and they are currently my two favorite cameras

your head does not have to explode holding many simultaneous contrary views about the same thing , lol

cosinaphile

also blowers should be banned, they cause more problems than they solve, microfiber and mini camera chamois are all you need

blowers send dust down deeper at times , for the finder, make a crevice tool from a cloth and a business card , or something similar

mattmaber

What can I say, I love my X100 and that blinds me to the few flaws.

So sue me.

cosinaphile

love triumphs , i feel the same way ,lol

macneubie

as long they don't affect the image, i wouldn't be too bothered with that.

gregvds

I was wondering if a O-ring large enough but thin enough in its section could not be pushed against the front window to 'seal' it from the outer?

LazarouINC

As a working pro I cant have my cameras in for a viewfinder clean every 12 months because I cant see out of the thing. So a simple O ring costing about 10p can save me a lot of time and money. So yes fuji and people here, if your aiming a camera at the pro world it should be sealed knowing the problems with the X100.

kiwi

I'm guessing then that as a working pro you don't take your DSLRs in for a professional clean regularly which strikes me as strange some somebody whose income relies on the quality of the images that they produce.

LazarouINC

Yes I do get Canon's serviced but I don't have to get viewfinder cleaned ever, never mind after 5 weeks like X100. But on another note I have just been playing with the X Pro 1 this morning. Fuji rep came to my local store with one and got a call to go and check it out. I asked a few questions about the camera. Yes the finder is sealed with rings, it will be priced at £1400 body only and due mid March for UK.

FinePixCamera

pcg said:
@kiwi Yup. +1

Right. Why bother holding Fujifilm up to standards that Canon and Nikon have been pushing forward for years on end. Fujifilm gets off so easy from its customers. There is a saying in my industry, "if you accept crap, your suppliers will send you crap". Crap is cheap and has really good margins.

Of course, folks like you simply dont care much for quality.

flysurfer

FinePixCamera said:

pcg said:
@kiwi Yup. +1

Right. Why bother holding Fujifilm up to standards that Canon and Nikon have been pushing forward for years on end. Fujifilm gets off so easy from its customers. There is a saying in my industry, "if you accept crap, your suppliers will send you crap". Crap is cheap and has really good margins.

Of course, folks like you simply dont care much for quality.

Since I do care for quality, could you provide some insight on how many crappy production models with insufficient sealing and dusty viewfinders you have seen? Did you take pictures? Could you confirm that the serial numbers weren't pre-production?

I'm very interested in such facts, so any first-hand reports from experienced X-Pro1 early adopters are welcome. Where and when did you get yours? Could you point out specific quality issues on the body and the lenses or accessories?

Thanks.

mattmaber

I seem to remember a pretty major Canon DSLR model having hideous focusing issues. WHere they held up to this same lofty standard?
Stop trying to find faults and either buy it or kindly go elsewhere.

FinePixCamera

mattmaber said:
I seem to remember a pretty major Canon DSLR model having hideous focusing issues. WHere they held up to this same lofty standard?
Stop trying to find faults and either buy it or kindly go elsewhere.

Yes, one of the Canon 1D III series cameras had huge focusing issues. Once identified by the press, Canon jumped all over that and busted their tails to rectify the situation. Their response was immediate and decisive to accept the problem and then fix it.

Fuji's response to their problems? Bury head in sand. Say nothing. Admit nothing.

gregvds

@FinePixCamera,

You are right, but still, there is no clear statistics about the fail rate, of the X100 for SAB, or the X10 for whatever else, or the X-Pro. I would like to have such figures before going mad at Fuji. From my experience, my usual shop is well aware of the problem (SAB for X100) and will certainly replace or fix it the quickest they can they told me. As long for me as the problem is solved by Fuji fixing it, I'm happy.

Yes, in a perfect world, I would like to have Fuji explaining how and why the problem exists, and how they try to fix it, and a full proper clear communication about the problem, but we are not in that perfect world, and more urgent matters occupy my mind, so as long as my X100 is perfectly working, I'm ok with the Fuji com policy.

mattmaber

Id repeat my suggestion that people go to their local Fuji reseller and simply ask how many cameras have been returned.

FinePixCamera

gregvds said:
@FinePixCamera,

You are right, but still, there is no clear statistics about the fail rate, of the X100 for SAB, or the X10 for whatever else, or the X-Pro. I would like to have such figures before going mad at Fuji. From my experience, my usual shop is well aware of the problem (SAB for X100) and will certainly replace or fix it the quickest they can they told me. As long for me as the problem is solved by Fuji fixing it, I'm happy.

Yes, in a perfect world, I would like to have Fuji explaining how and why the problem exists, and how they try to fix it, and a full proper clear communication about the problem, but we are not in that perfect world, and more urgent matters occupy my mind, so as long as my X100 is perfectly working, I'm ok with the Fuji com policy.

By all reports, Fujifilm is fixing X100's that have the aperture problem. Most folks seem very satisfied with the service that they get and the problem is eventually resolved.

The X10 on the other hand has been a continuing unmitigated disaster for Fujifilm. They have no response in public, they have one totally failed firmware update, and an extremely loud, growing chorus of angry customers who feel ripped off at how badly performing their new camera is.

The X-S1 also has not gotten off to a good start. It also clearly orbs and has lens issues. Forums across the 'net show very little activity about the X-S1 despite it being available in Europe and Asia for several months.

Who knows what bugs the X Pro 1 will have. Based on Fuji's past performance, I will NOT be an early adapter of this camera.

mattmaber

FinePixCamera said:

The X10 on the other hand has been a continuing unmitigated disaster for Fujifilm.

this really is screeching hyperbole.
"unmitigated disaster" really?
get a grip

I do wonder why you are on this forum.

flysurfer

From what I have read, FF sold twice as many X10s in 2 months than X100s in 10 months. And they sold twice as many X100s as expected, so that was a success.

purethanol

I asked one of the fujiguys and he said that he doesn't think that it will have that problem. That's a start? I'm still going to wait awhile for the reviews and complaints to pour in. I'm more interested in using it with a zoom lens anyways (I kind of miss it).

fotogooroo

Fuji has introduced the only digital camera that doesn't use the Kodak Bayer sensor design of 1975. Hence, they have stolen a march on the rest of the industry with the X Pro 1. Be aware that many of the negative comments may be from those with hidden agendas, even paid individuals with ties to competitors of Fujifilm. I have no affiliation with Fujifilm, but have a X Pro 1 Outfit on order because of the glass and quasi-random sensor pattern that looks more like film capture than any other digital camera.

FinePixCamera

fotogooroo said:
Fuji has introduced the only digital camera that doesn't use the Kodak Bayer sensor design of 1975. Hence, they have stolen a march on the rest of the industry with the X Pro 1. Be aware that many of the negative comments may be from those with hidden agendas, even paid individuals with ties to competitors of Fujifilm. I have no affiliation with Fujifilm, but have a X Pro 1 Outfit on order because of the glass and quasi-random sensor pattern that looks more like film capture than any other digital camera.

Sigma cameras don't use bayer filtered sensors either.

robk47

Yes, one of the Canon 1D III series cameras had huge focusing issues. Once identified by the press, Canon jumped all over that and busted their tails to rectify the situation. Their response was immediate and decisive to accept the problem and then fix it.
Um, that is not exactly accurate if you were speaking about the Mark III. I had three of them and the focus sucked on all three, which Canon kept exchanging with me over and over. Finally, I sold it and got two 7D's instead. Let's not keep bashing Fuji when all manufacturers have these issues. Nikon had a dud with the D1H, which was useless above 400ISO. The bottom line is that they ought not to put stuff out there that they know is bad and if they claim they didn't know, well, shame on them!

mattmaber

robk47 said:
Yes, one of the Canon 1D III series cameras had huge focusing issues. Once identified by the press, Canon jumped all over that and busted their tails to rectify the situation. Their response was immediate and decisive to accept the problem and then fix it.
Um, that is not exactly accurate if you were speaking about the Mark III. I had three of them and the focus sucked on all three, which Canon kept exchanging with me over and over. Finally, I sold it and got two 7D's instead. Let's not keep bashing Fuji when all manufacturers have these issues. Nikon had a dud with the D1H, which was useless above 400ISO. The bottom line is that they ought not to put stuff out there that they know is bad and if they claim they didn't know, well, shame on them!

Yes Im not a Canon user but I do remember A LOT of complaing for quite a while and a few highish profile Canon users moving to Nikon. I think Leo Laporte on TWIT podcast may have mentioned it a bit at the time.

brickst3r

So for those that already received their x pro 1, did fuji really seal the ovf this time? Just wondering. Thanks in advance.

stevil

well, at least for the OP, it seems not to be sealed...

jsirevaag

The eyepiece for the X-Pro 1 is removable to allow for a change of diopters. Remove the lens, dump out the particulates and close.

LazarouINC

The front window is more solid then the X100, doesn't move when you touch it. So just hope it wont let anything in like X100 did.

Lacapino

Bought the x pro 1 to use in Iraq, did not want the Leica to get tmessed up, regarding the dust. The suff is like powder.
However, the camera has particles inside the viewfinder. and a lot already. I v rapped the camera inside a buff, and inside a bag when not used. and whenever there is a lot of atmospheric movement , even a breeze, I tried to protect the camera by hiding, and covering it, insied the buff, or bag, or both. But my efforts have not been enough, perhaps the only way not to get dust inside is too not ever take it out?
I like the camera, and I can live with the focus being slow, but the dust creeping in, or rather the particles inside it now, is a concern. I maybe wrongfully also tried blowing some of the particles off the camera, and made it worse? anyway, I did nothing I have not done regarding the cleaning of my nikons, or canons ...
Additionally I have a particle inside the lens(18mm) now as well..its very disappointing. The Nikon D700 has nothing in comparison, weather sealed. I have been taking the nikon to the villages, but now the fuji lies in the cupboard, seeing I cannot use it in the enviroment here!
CAN SOMEBODY ACTUALLY MAKE A BLOODY CAMERA LIKE THIS AN GIVE IT SOME WEATHERSEALING PLEASE!

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