My New X10
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    It's great to find this forum, and you have all certainly been a great help in assisting me in choosing my latest compact camera. I spent such a long time weighing up the relative pros and cons of two or three different cameras, but the Fuji ticked more boxes than the rest. I was also influenced by a thread on leather cases .... Consequently I succumbed to a beautiful Gariz half case bought from eBay in the UK, gorgeous!

    I've been testing my new camera over the last few days, specifically choosing challenging conditions. Firstly, very low light in the dim rooms at Hampton Court Palace: http://lindsaydobsonphotography.com/blog/?p=4681

    And then a glaringly sunny day in Brighton: http://lindsaydobsonphotography.com/blog/?p=4763

    I think my new little friend has done very well indeed, that I finally have a sophisticated high quality camera which is tiny enough to go everywhere with me.

  • kiwikiwi
    Posts: 460
    Great photos and it looks like a terrific read on your blog. I'll read it thoroughly later today.
  • DennisDennis
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    Stunning photos and very inspiring writing. Thanks...
    Owner and user of cameras...
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    Thanks guys - I'm really enjoying my new Fuji. I had a Panasonic G1 previously but didn't get along with it as well as I'd hoped.
  • ToxicToxic
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    Beautiful work Lindsay, hoping to finally play with mine when I go to Vietnam next week!
    X10, D3S, D2X
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    I'm so envious Toxic - you'll have some great photographic opportunities - good luck and I'll look forward to seeing the shots!

    Somebody has left a comment on my Blog saying the 'white orb' syndrome means the X10 is useless. I haven't experienced anything like that so it's difficult for me to know why he feels as strongly as he clearly does. All I could do is suggest he returns it - I wonder if certain batches were affected and he got a 'bad' one?
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    Hmmm, I think I know who might have left the comment: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1012&message=40678285

    I'm all for getting all sides of opinion, but the manner in which some people communicate leaves much to be desired! I've been called an 'ass' - yikes! Sort of funny though. Thankfully it seems very friendly and informative on this forum.
  • HFMHFM
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    LindsayD said:

    Hmmm, I think I know who might have left the comment: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1012&message=40678285

    I'm all for getting all sides of opinion, but the manner in which some people communicate leaves much to be desired! I've been called an 'ass' - yikes! Sort of funny though. Thankfully it seems very friendly and informative on this forum.



    Don't worry too much about it. Apparently some of these people have nothing else to do but complain of orbs all day long :)
    It is certainly a flaw of the camera, but it's nowhere near as crippling as these doom-sayers make it out to be. Unless you spend most of your time photographing very bright objects at ISO 100.
    In that case you might want to return the camera, work around the problem, or sign up on DPR and spend all your days on white orb posts instead of actually using the camera ;)
  • cosinaphilecosinaphile
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    the orbs are a serious problem , no amount of admiration of fujis x 10 should cause one to dismiss the issue .... i rarely encounter it and dont consider it personally so troubling
    as to make me sorry i purchased the x 10 .... but the fact is fuji should not have released a luxury compact with this hardware sensor issue , it is a small but true failure on their part .

    the x 10 is a marvelous camera in spite of the defect , all the points on your excellent blog review are valid , especially your admiration for the fuji jpeg engine in camera

    go a step further and shoot raw in camera and fine tune the jpeg output with hughlight and shadow tone etc .... once you do it you will never go back

    having the raw file is important and gives you tremendously more options that shooting jpeg only
    using the custom jpeg engine for raw files in camera is the only way to go, imho

    i enjoyed your photography tremendously , you have the eye of a true visual artist
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    i shoot with the samsung ex1 and the ricoh gx 200
    i shoot with the ep1 and gf1 with adapted slr and rf glass
    i shoot with the x100 and the x10
  • stunning photos ! I want to go through it again !
  • Wonderful pictures! I enjoyed the trip to Brighton :-)
  • Thanks for sharing your thoughts on using this camera. I am glad to have found a place where discussion is civil and helpful. Unfortunately, DPR FTF is not a great place to hang out these days.

    Your photos are very good and encourage me to try harder. However, perhaps on my computer screen, they all look a little darker than perhaps I would have preferred personally. Is this deliberate?

    I was particularly interested in your suggestion to turn down noise reduction on the X10. I will try this out. My primary reason for choosing this camera was pictures of my new grandson in available light, and so far I am very pleased with the results.
  • WilzWorkz7WilzWorkz7
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    +1 King Henry would have approved it! :)
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  • HFM said:

    Apparently some of these people have nothing else to do but complain of orbs all day long :)



    Indeed.

    If 'orbs' were truly a serious problem there wouldn't be so many getting very good results from this camera. Psychology and psychiatry textbooks could give over whole chapters to some of the orb-obsessed individuals on DPR! Many more are shooting and enjoying themselves.

    Excellent pics! Well worth looking at.

    :)

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  • Very nice.
    Gorgeous work on your site too. :D
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    What lovely responses, thanks so much to all of you, I'm certainly feeling better after the roasting I have had from some individuals over on dpreview! However they did point me towards the orb issue, which was certainly pretty horrible in some of the pictures I saw. Thankfully the conditions under which I shoot seem to avoid the problem. I'm sorry for those who have been badly affected.

    TexasRanger - yes, turning down the in camera noise reduction helps to preserve a bit more detail, and save the files from looking mushy at high ISO values. I'm not sure why the images look dark on your monitor, you may need to turn the brightness up a little to match what we see on our calibrated machines at this end, however you are probably right in that I like to maintain richness in my shots so they may not be as bright as others.

    cosinaphile - I tried shooting raw on the X 10 and I gave up! I found the raw files incredibly noisy even at low ISO, and no amount of working the file would give a result on par with the JPEG straight from the camera, which is interesting.
  • WilzWorkz7WilzWorkz7
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    The x100 have ghosting images too. It is only in certain circumstances it appears and that doesn't stop any of us here having fun and I certainly think the x10 is the same as well with the orb issue.

    I have been shooting with this camera for a year now. Very happy camper with the x100.

    As for the RAW files, what cosinaphile wants you to do is to convert the RAW into JPEGS in camera and you will see the beauty of the JPEG engine (not silkypix)
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  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    Ah - thank you for clarifying that, I will try converting the raw files to JPEG in camera. I still have so much to learn about my X10, but so far I'm having a lot of fun with it.
  • cosinaphilecosinaphile
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    LindsayD said:

    What lovely responses, thanks so much to all of you, I'm certainly feeling better after the roasting I have had from some individuals over on dpreview! However they did point me towards the orb issue, which was certainly pretty horrible in some of the pictures I saw. Thankfully the conditions under which I shoot seem to avoid the problem. I'm sorry for those who have been badly affected.

    TexasRanger - yes, turning down the in camera noise reduction helps to preserve a bit more detail, and save the files from looking mushy at high ISO values. I'm not sure why the images look dark on your monitor, you may need to turn the brightness up a little to match what we see on our calibrated machines at this end, however you are probably right in that I like to maintain richness in my shots so they may not be as bright as others.

    cosinaphile - I tried shooting raw on the X 10 and I gave up! I found the raw files incredibly noisy even at low ISO, and no amount of working the file would give a result on par with the JPEG straight from the camera, which is interesting.



    yes, if you process them out of camera, im saying shoot raw and jpeg and process using raw conversion in camera function , try softening or hardening the tone while using monochrome
    can give unique results
    i shot jpeg only for a while then out of curiosity started playing with this function processing raw myself in camera, and my jaw dropped..no camera on earth gives this power to the user in camera for jpeg creation ....im hooked
    i shoot with the ricoh gxr and m mount module with adapted glass
    i shoot with the samsung ex1 and the ricoh gx 200
    i shoot with the ep1 and gf1 with adapted slr and rf glass
    i shoot with the x100 and the x10
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    I'm really pleased you told me about that, I'm getting quite excited about trying it. I'm so impressed by the capabilities of this tiny camera. Plus it looks gorgeous. I'm also looking forward to trying out the macro functionality, I would love some opinions on that.
  • FrisoVFrisoV
    Posts: 19
    Lindsay, you're photos look amazing. I can't wait to try out my x10 I bought this weekend. The latest post on your blog includes photos that you say should include Exif data, but I can't seem to find it. How do I check the Exif data? I would be interested to see what settings you use for which shots for learning puposes.
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    You must post some pictures from your X10 as soon as you start shooting with it!

    I'm going to sound really stupid here, but I'm not sure how the others are reading the Exif data which I reinstated in the pictures, I wonder if they have some specific software especially for that purpose. I can e-mail them to you if it will help.

    But in brief, some of the shots were taken in Aperture priority and some in fully Manual mode, in most of the lowlight images I capped the ISO at Auto 3200 and allowed the camera to choose the most appropriate ISO. I set DR to either Auto or 100 but I didn't see the difference, which proves I really need to get to know more about the sensor. The shutter speeds in the dim conditions were quite slow, around 1/20 which was not a problem at all given there were no moving subjects and the camera has good inbuilt stabilisation. I tried setting the white balance myself but I discovered that the Auto white balance on this camera is very good indeed, better than on some of my work DSLR bodies.
  • ci_leeci_lee
    Posts: 46
    great photos and great insight on the camera! you completely articulated why i enjoy using it as my everyday camera (replacing a T2i with 50mm 1.8) however, i completely understand the frustration expressed by those individuals. it is a flaw that affects seemingly all X10's but as you stated, it mainly occurs @ lower ISO & shutter. should Fuji have done more R&D before releasing such a product...perhaps. but what those disgruntled consumers (i sometimes wonder if those posters even own the camera!?) over @ dpreview don't seem to get is that companies are in the business of making money - to pay their employees, show gains for their investors, line their execs pockets, etc. but they also reinvest in the company so they can produce new models like an eventual X10 successor. without the X10 there would be no new and improved X20...or X11, whatever. last i checked canon is on it's 10th/11th generation with the concurrent G12 & G1X models...and not all of them have been great. at least the X10 does it right about 95% of the time =)
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    Well said. We're passing through a very rapid phase of evolution with such specialised compact cameras hitting the market - I remember some of the Canon models which were surrounded by quite a lot of hype, but they had some flaws when they came to market. Thankfully they got sorted out in the next generation, and I'm sure the guys at Fuji will get on top of the orb syndrome - they will have to!
  • HFMHFM
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    As for the EXIF part, you can get addon/extensions to read EXIF information for most browsers. For instance im using EXIF Viewer for Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/lplmljfembbkocngnlkkdgabpnfokmnl?hl=da

    LindsayD:
    I wouldn't pander too much to these guys..the next thing they'll be telling you is that the EXIF info is faked (which is very easy to do actually) - I popped into the thread earlier and saw some guy claiming your pictures must be fake because they showed sunshine in the UK, which is impossible in the winter! :D
  • FrisoVFrisoV
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    Thanks HFM!
  • LindsayDLindsayD
    Posts: 309
    Thank you HFM, that's extremely helpful. I'm going to go and look at everybody else's exif now (-:

    Yes, I'm utterly baffled as to why some individuals at dpreview were claiming the images were fake, I just don't understand why they would say that, unless their frustration comes from within in that they are not able to produce decent results themselves. I'm still amazed by the number of people who will blame their tools for their own failings. Some people are like that I suppose.

    The sunshine comment was hysterical! Somebody else claimed I was a fraud because I found the thread within an hour, he clearly didn't understand that photographers check their web statistics frequently, and it was simply one click which took me to the discussion thread. It seems so extreme that the Fuji haters will attack anyone who claims the camera is a capable tool under the vast majority of conditions. On the other hand, I also received a huge amount of support for posting a positive review on the camera, and I very much appreciate the kind comments from those posters and from everyone here.

    From what I've seen there are plenty of very talented X10 shooters around. I'm really looking forward to exploring this forum more thoroughly, and enjoying the excellent photography that you are all producing, it's very inspiring.
  • robk47robk47
    Posts: 102
    Sometimes, I wonder if the people dumping all over Fuji X10 are the same person. Clearly, no camera is without its faults. I struggled with the Nikon D1H, the Canon Mark III and others and can say without reservation that even $4000 plus cameras have imperfections. For what it was intended to be, the orb/no orb issue aside, the X10 is a pretty nifty camera that puts out great images and meets the needs of those seeking a good and reliable feature-laden street camera at a reasonable price. Those who dump on Fuji, I hope have also given equal time the failings of Canon, Nikon, Sony and, yes, even Leica (IR issues)!
  • cosinaphilecosinaphile
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    The x100 have ghosting images too. It is only in certain circumstances it appears and that doesn't stop any of us here having fun and I certainly think the x10 is the same as well with the orb issue.

    I have been shooting with this camera for a year now. Very happy camper with the x100.

    As for the RAW files, what cosinaphile wants you to do is to convert the RAW into JPEGS in camera and you will see the beauty of the JPEG engine (not silkypix)



    exactly ....thanks , you know me too well.lol

    @LindseyD

    many of the psychos at dp are simply haters.......sad but true
    i shoot with the ricoh gxr and m mount module with adapted glass
    i shoot with the samsung ex1 and the ricoh gx 200
    i shoot with the ep1 and gf1 with adapted slr and rf glass
    i shoot with the x100 and the x10
  • DavoeDavoe
    Posts: 42
    Lindsay, your photos are simply exquisite. I'm going to read everything you write about the X10 so I can benefit from your photographic skills.
  • LindsayDLindsayD
    Posts: 309
    Thank you everyone for the kind replies. Davoe, I hope I'll get to know the X10 better over the coming months, I'll try to add more images to the blog on a regular basis. Previously I never wanted to go out with a camera due to the weight and discomfort factor (and the fact I always felt like I was working) but the X10 has liberated me.

    Rob - that is a very good point, being such a small camera with a lot of technology packed into it means it cannot really be without some faults (at least with respect to the current technology) and for what it is, I have found it to be exceptional. This orb issue under certain conditions is not something I've experienced, this problem might be the price one pays for a particularly high quality bright lens and high quality sensor combination, which provides stellar results most of the time but physics gets in the way in some circumstances. Fuji will have to sort it out at some point as there are clearly some unhappy folk out there.

    I remember my 5D MkI and the problem with mirrors dropping out - I saw that several times. Even the best bits of kit can let you down at times, unless you have a bottomless bank account.
  • @LindsayD
    Are you using the viewfinder or the LCD to frame your shots? Even if there's no information in it or that it covers only about 85% of the frame, I use it most of the time.
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    Hi marc, I do try to use the viewfinder but I find that the central focus point that I normally use is not in the centre of the OVF and seems to be offset top left (I think) which means when it comes to photographing people I'm having to resort to using the LCD, which is a bit of a disappointment. I really do wish they had at least included a focus point in the OVF!
  • LindsayDLindsayD
    Posts: 309
    It seems that my blogging about the X10 is cursed, as of this morning my websites and blogs have disappeared (I don't think it's a bandwidth problem as my host gives me unlimited bandwidth). This is a bit of a catastrophe as I'm trying to run a business. I have contacted my host provider to see if they know what's going on. Total nightmare. Anyway that's the reason why some of you can't click through on my link.
  • That's a shame. If a system has failed somewhere I'd like to think all the backup data can be transferred over again after they have 'fixed' the problem. Seems odd though.

    When a business is involved it makes it even worse. Hopefully it will be up and running again very soon. Your output has made quite an impact!
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  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    Unfortunately there has been a malicious attack on my site, I don't know why, or by whom. It seems all I can do is hope my host provider can get me up and running again. I will then delete most of my X10 commentary because I have had enough.
  • Well, it's easy for me to say, but I do hope you will in time reconsider. Your work is pretty inspiring and reminds us what can be accomplished with an advanced compact in the right hands.

    The company that hosts your site should have all the files backed up as a precaution against this kind of thing. But this is indeed very disheartening. A malicious attack is incomprehensible. I'm sure others here will encourage you in this too.
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  • iansians
    Posts: 23
    Lindsay
    I'm just appalled by this - and the comments on the DPR fujitalk forum. I've found your blog very helpful. Hang in there.

    best

    Ians
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    Thank you Nettles.
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    ... and ians!
  • iansians
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    I also meant to say how much I enjoyed your photos. Relieved actually - I see so many negative posts it was good to see something positive.

    I'm still a bit intimidated by my X10 - I'm not really a photographer, snapshots are more my thing (although sometimes people go 'Wow'). I bought the X10 because I liked the idea of it, having started out in film. The web seems full of people who seem to make the experience of using it even more complicated than it need be. Which is why I liked the things you'd written about.

    There's a guy called Jim Radcliffe (don't know if you've come across him)who also makes using the X10 look easy. http://www.boxedlight.com/x10/index.htm

    best

    ians
  • I love threads that involve photography instead of issues that have been beat to death. The x10 has a couple of weaknesses. One should be addressed by Fuji, but I intend to work with the camera to figure out what needs to be dome to get the results that I want. I love your photos, and I am sorry to hear that you are being attacked mainly because of your success with the camera.
  • FrisoVFrisoV
    Posts: 19
    That's just horrible. Your photos with and writing about the X10 was so inspiring.. When you say you will delete most of your X10 commentary, are you saying that you think your site was attacked because of it? DPreview FTF guys gone berzerk?
  • All the best for your site. I sincerely hope this is an unfortunate coincidence. When your blog is up again, please do not delete the X10 parts. Your sane assessment was a breath of fresh air.
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    Friso, I can't say for definite right now who has attacked my site, it just seems a strong coincidence that I should be attacked in that thread quite forcibly, then I received a couple of e-mails this morning warning me to be careful (whatever that means) and then my website and both my blogs disappear, I've been told so far by one of the experts I've enlisted that it is likely to be a denial of service attack, but I'll know more tomorrow hopefully. It could be some weirdo who just doesn't like anyone disagreeing with his views. I am not for one moment suggesting it was somebody involved in that thread who might have attacked my site, I had tons of hits on my site so it could have been anyone.
  • FrisoVFrisoV
    Posts: 19
    I wish you all the best with the site. I realise that it's probably much more important to you for your business than for the blogging. I know you weren't suggesting anything let alone blaming anyone. Quite a coincidence though. Again, I hope your site is back again soon.
  • zenzen
    Posts: 102
    That really sucks, i have an X10, i admit the camera has flaws, but I'm able to work around it. DPR is nothing more than a breeding ground for negativity, the forums are out of control, and the site allows it to continue, time after time, again and again. They have lost all credibility with me when the claim to be a source for professional photography reviews and advice, its horrible there, and I really feel bad that this has occured. You are a great shooter and what has happened is terrible, but i hope you get your site back up soon, and that you continue to post your excellent images. You have a good day Lindsay take care.
  • HFMHFM
    Posts: 161
    LindsayD said:

    then I received a couple of e-mails this morning warning me to be careful (whatever that means) and then my website and both my blogs disappear, I've been told so far by one of the experts I've enlisted that it is likely to be a denial of service attack, but I'll know more tomorrow hopefully.



    Wow, that's really far out! I'm quite shocked that it has come so far..and threatening emails too :/ The timing does seem quite on the nose..indicating someone from DPR. Unless you have lots of enemies among UK photographers who are known to be quite dangerous and evil ;) But of course there is no way to be sure, especially since DDOS attacks are hard to track down.

    I hope you get your site back online soon and hopefully without any data losses and it doesn't interfere with your business :)

    Edit: I see your website just popped back online :) Excellent..
  • LindsayDLindsayD
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    Hi HFM, thankfully my service providers have been fantastic and are investigating things further for me. I have taken down my X10 posts for now as I will need to edit out any glowing comments about the camera in an attempt to stave off any further attacks!
  • DavoeDavoe
    Posts: 42
    Lindsay, don't give to the bullies. Post your helpful, positive comments on this site and not your business site. I'm over in Hawaii taking beautiful snaps of my family, loving the out of camera jpegs. It's great to think I don't have to spend hours on my computer to edit the snaps. I had only one specular highlight shot, and I had to zoom in 100% to see it.
  • LindsayDLindsayD
    Posts: 309
    Thank you Davoe, there is certainly an argument for having a separate place for personal stuff! I provide quite a lot of educational articles and reviews for photographers which helps to drive traffic to my website - in this case the wrong traffic! I will be very cautious from now on, although I could post my Fuji shots on somewhere like Flickr instead. But that still will not protect me against vengeful people who will simply look up my website and do whatever harm is in their head.

    I know what you mean about not having to spend hours processing the JPEG, they are so great straight out of the camera.

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