Wake and Focus Speed
  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
    Posts: 1,897
    Today I went out with my SLR instead of either my X100 or X10. As it turned out, one of the best shots of today's walk would have been utterly impossible with either of my X cameras. These two dogs were walking to my left when they stopped, raised on hind legs and then hugged! It was totally unexpected and I had to snap the shot in record time. I never, ever shot any camera as fast as I did with this image. Raised and fired as fast as I could. Thankfully, my S5 Pro wakes the second you hit the shutter button and the focus speed with the 24mm f/1.4 lens is decent.

    Absolutely no way my X100 could have woke from sleep fast enough, and then focused to get this shot. Not a chance. For whatever reason, the X100 wakes far slower than an SLR. The slow focus is well known but the slow wake speed is also sub standard, especially for the cost one pays.


    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

    MacBook Pro 2.53 GHz, 8 gigs RAM
  • PiTiLeZarDPiTiLeZarD
    Posts: 137
    You're making the whole point of the X1(00). With a camera like that you don't react too late to an event, you try to sense it before by being observant enough and catch it at the right time.

    With a X1(00) in hand, ready and you ready as well, hyperfocal focused, you'd got it as well ;)

    I agree it's sometimes frustrating, but I think of my XP1 as a camera with no autofocus and it makes me think better differently.
  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
    Posts: 1,897

    You're making the whole point of the X1(00). With a camera like that you don't react too late to an event, you try to sense it before by being observant enough and catch it at the right time.

    With a X1(00) in hand, ready and you ready as well, hyperfocal focused, you'd got it as well ;)

    I agree it's sometimes frustrating, but I think of my XP1 as a camera with no autofocus and it makes me think better differently.



    Absolutely impossible in these situations. How does one prepare for a pair of dogs hugging? I've never seen such a scene before in my life. Those dogs appeared out of a crowd, interacted, and were gone in a few seconds. No one can prepare and wait for that. I guess you could park somewhere and wait for something interesting to happen. But that's not how I spend my life, parked like a hunter and waiting for hours and hours. I enjoy urban hiking. I hiked over 15 miles yesterday. Halfway across Shanghai! No way I could afford to spend time waiting in a crowd hoping something interesting would happen. Too boring. I'm always on the move.

    No, not possible with my X100. These two shots would never have been captured had I hiked across town with my X100. That's a fact. Don't get me wrong. I LOVE my X100. But I recognize that there are severe limitations to that camera, mostly due to Fujifilm's very poor design. There is no reason why it should be so slow to wake up. None. Panasonic and Olympus have shown that contrast detect focusing doesnt have to be dog slow.






    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

    MacBook Pro 2.53 GHz, 8 gigs RAM
  • ChristopherChristopher
    Posts: 2,143
    I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this discussion. Your X100 and X10 are production cameras, they are what they are, if you're unhappy with that, stop using them, because they're not going to change.

    Clearly you have had enough successful images with these cameras that you continue to use them. Bitching about their pitfalls won't solve anything, and no one here really cares to hear it. No camera is perfect for every situation, period. We are not Fujifilm, we cannot fix your camera, we don't want to hear your complaints. This is not the purpose of our forum. If you feel cheated by Fujifilm, take up the issue with them, not us.

    If you continue to press the issue, you will be removed from the community. We're not Fujifilm apologists, these cameras aren't perfect, but we're not here to complain, we're here because we enjoy using these cameras and want to discuss photography with other Fujifilm users.

    That being said, you have a wonderful photo there, it's a good thing you had your DSLR with you!

    Fuji X Series Administrator · ChrisMarks.com · Space Cadet Photo Blog · Flickr
  • LodroLodro
    Posts: 43
    " No way I could afford to spend time waiting in a crowd hoping something interesting would happen. Too boring. I'm always on the move. "

    And there you go. Let go of the boring and you'll be a better photographer.
  • WillHWillH
    Posts: 404

    I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this discussion. Your X100 and X10 are production cameras, they are what they are, if you're unhappy with that, stop using them, because they're not going to change.

    Clearly you have had enough successful images with these cameras that you continue to use them. Bitching about their pitfalls won't solve anything, and no one here really cares to hear it. No camera is perfect for every situation, period. We are not Fujifilm, we cannot fix your camera, we don't want to hear your complaints. This is not the purpose of our forum. If you feel cheated by Fujifilm, take up the issue with them, not us.

    If you continue to press the issue, you will be removed from the community. We're not Fujifilm apologists, these cameras aren't perfect, but we're not here to complain, we're here because we enjoy using these cameras and want to discuss photography with other Fujifilm users.

    That being said, you have a wonderful photo there, it's a good thing you had your DSLR with you!


    Christopher,

    Many, many of us have been saying what you just said, about various issues, for MONTHS!

    Enough, with the warnings! He's been booted from DRP several times. Ratty is not going to change. It's only going to get worse - the guy craves confrontation and has a proven, and obvious, track record of promoting discontent. His little show of passing out disingenuous kudo's is merely a faint attempt to hide his true personality.

    Boot the antagonist off your forum and allow some good decent Fuji camera users to rejoin your forum. I know a few Fuji photographers who are watching to see how you handle this problem child.......and his buddy the rabbit.
  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
    Posts: 1,897

    I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this discussion. Your X100 and X10 are production cameras, they are what they are, if you're unhappy with that, stop using them, because they're not going to change.

    Clearly you have had enough successful images with these cameras that you continue to use them. Bitching about their pitfalls won't solve anything, and no one here really cares to hear it. No camera is perfect for every situation, period. We are not Fujifilm, we cannot fix your camera, we don't want to hear your complaints. This is not the purpose of our forum. If you feel cheated by Fujifilm, take up the issue with them, not us.

    If you continue to press the issue, you will be removed from the community. We're not Fujifilm apologists, these cameras aren't perfect, but we're not here to complain, we're here because we enjoy using these cameras and want to discuss photography with other Fujifilm users.

    That being said, you have a wonderful photo there, it's a good thing you had your DSLR with you!



    Christopher,

    The purpose of this discussion is merely to engage in talk about Fujifilm cameras. Nothing more than that.

    Since the arrival of the X100 and X Pro 1, there have been an almost uncountable number of posts regarding how people have set aside their DSLR for the X series. I myself, have seen a dramatic drop in usage for my DSLR. Many have talked about getting rid of their SLRs completely. (Posted today: I am the (very proud) owner of a new x100 and I love it. I dumped my complete Nikon DSLR kit (except my beloved Micro Nikkor which I am keeping for sentimental reasons) to buy it. I was fed up of carrying around a bagful of lenses and missing shots.)

    My post was not a "bitching post". My post was not one in search of a solution. Such a position is factually incorrect. I was presenting a counter point, with images, that SLR's still have a very useful place in one's arsenal and if you get rid of your SLR or use it less, some images will be lost.

    Has this been said before? Possibly? But nearly every topic has been talked to death yet we are all here because we (all) like talking about cameras.

    I personally have never brought up the issue of wake speed at all here, so this was a new topic for me.

    I do not feel cheated, I do not seek a solution, I ask no reader for a fix. Further, I went out of my way to clearly and unmistakably say, "I LOVE MY X100!" Could the X100 be better? Yes, I believe so, as other companies have proven that the performance that other seek is available in other cameras. But I accept the X100 as it is because it will not be changing.

    You wrote, " we're here because we enjoy using these cameras and want to discuss photography with other Fujifilm users."

    Exactly why I am here and penned the original post as well as every other post I write.



    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

    MacBook Pro 2.53 GHz, 8 gigs RAM
  • I haven't posted in a long time...

    Christoper, I love this forum... one of my few favorites... and i like to look at it like a roundtable discussion (with beer). I welcome "bitching" from people like FinePIxCamera. And to a certain degree, he is right, it is slow. Sure, maybe he couldn't have taken that picture with an X camera, but I could have... and you could have too... and Henri Cartier-Bresson sure as hell could have!

    PiTiLeZarD is correct... it takes more than a reaction and a fast camera... it takes action and participation. I've lost pics for the very same reason as FinePixCamera... future generations of the X-series will wake more quickly and focus more quickly, but in the mean time he's gotta shoot differently... think differently... and i think he will find that it's much more fun.
  • ChristopherChristopher
    Posts: 2,143
    Fair enough, I just had to get it off my chest.

    While we're here @FinePixCamera, I do think you've contributed to the forum in positive ways, it's just the constant interjection of Fujifilm's flaws that are tiresome to many of the community members. Perhaps its best to hold back, unless another forum member specifically brings up the subject. I'm not looking to censor the forum, but I think we'd all get along much better this way.

    Can you give it a shot for us?
    Fuji X Series Administrator · ChrisMarks.com · Space Cadet Photo Blog · Flickr
  • WillHWillH
    Posts: 404
    Well guess that's that! let's see, what's the real hammer: Vegan diet, animal rights politics, anti-Japanese, or leap frog in the park! Remember when playing leap frog don't stutter.........that's not playing leap frog anymore!
  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
    Posts: 1,897

    Fair enough, I just had to get it off my chest.

    While we're here @FinePixCamera, I do think you've contributed to the forum in positive ways, it's just the constant interjection of Fujifilm's flaws that are tiresome to many of the community members. Perhaps its best to hold back, unless another forum member specifically brings up the subject. I'm not looking to censor the forum, but I think we'd all get along much better this way.

    Can you give it a shot for us?



    Christopher,

    I hope that my posts will be seen as being a contribution to this forum.

    This particular thread is the first thread I've posted in quite a long while where I made a point against the X series cameras. And I made this point with the utmost of respect. If you look at the posting history of FinePixCamera, you will see that the vast majority of all my thread starts concerned either images from my X cameras (positively put) as well as gear discussion (X10 w/diopter set up).

    The only other recent "negative" post was my thread on the filter design of the X10. That is mild to say the least as I was just curious to know what is normal in this particular case. Not a rant. Not a constant bitching thread. I just wanted to know how the filter is designed to sit on the camera. It seems weird to me with the logo in such a bizarre spot.

    Regarding your concern, I'll take that into consideration and re-double my efforts to satisfy your request. I dont want to self censor anymore than you want to censor the forum. At the same time, if I do have something negative to point out, I'll make extra clear the context of the comment so that the full entire story can be understood.

    Thank you very much.
    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

    MacBook Pro 2.53 GHz, 8 gigs RAM
  • LodroLodro
    Posts: 43
    You're rattymouse on the dpreview forum, aren't you?
  • WillHWillH
    Posts: 404
    Lodro said:

    You're rattymouse on the dpreview forum, aren't you?


    Yes, tis him! FinePixCamera is rattymouse on PRP FTF.
  • steve1401steve1401
    Posts: 840
    At the end of the day, love him or loath him, @FinePixCamera is right, the X100 is a little sluggish on wake, has a bit of shutter lag and doesn't focus as fast as some SLR's etc. Perhaps the point could be put across a little more courteously as it appears to offend some people here. For me a spade is a spade and I'd sooner someone tell me what they really think rather than skirt around a subject.

    However, @FinePixCamera, do remember that a lot of folk here will have shelled out a lot of hard earned cash for their camera and love it for what it is - warts and all. In the interest of community, it is often better to ask for suggestions on how others work around its misgivings and engage in that way rather than leave it as 'my other camera is better for xyz'...
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  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
    Posts: 1,897
    Hey Steve. I doubt anyone paid more for their X100 than me. It was $1650 here in China when I bought the camera. And I love it for what it is, warts and all and said so above! The point of my post was not to find ways to work around the problem of speed because in most situations, I already know how to do so. The point of my post was that sometimes, there is no way to work around the slow speed and so shots are lost that would not be so with an SLR. Just a counter point on all the anti-slr chat that goes on around these days.

    Of course, it works both ways. Some shots can't be taken with an SLR but can with the X100!

    Balance is the name of the game, not extremism.
    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

    MacBook Pro 2.53 GHz, 8 gigs RAM

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