Damn, the spots arrived
  • brentbrent
    Posts: 60
    Somehow something is stuck to my sensor, unless its the back of the lens. In anycase: any ideas on how to clean the sensor?
  • AndrewVAndrewV
    Posts: 197
    Pictures?
  • RogerRabbitRogerRabbit
    Posts: 629
    Rocket blower first
    "I can only agree with your first sentence." Quote karlbown
  • brentbrent
    Posts: 60
    brent pulls out his rocket blower and looks at it. here is a pic, filtered to show the spot better, in the upper right hand corner...


    http://www.flickr.com/photos/c-brent/7323648298/in/photostream
  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
    Posts: 1,897
    brent said:

    Somehow something is stuck to my sensor, unless its the back of the lens. In anycase: any ideas on how to clean the sensor?



    How about using a sensor swab?
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    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

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  • brentbrent
    Posts: 60
    yes, i used the blower and its still there. any recommend on a sensor swab/ technique to clean the xpro sensor?
  • cooloregoncooloregon
    Posts: 117
    Yep, I found the same thing on mine (X10). Sent it in to Fuji NJ and had it cleaned. No problems now except the orbs.
  • brentbrent
    Posts: 60
    do you think its and 'orb' or just a spot. its actually bigger that a spot i think. im confused about it...
    who did you contact in order to find out where to send your camera?
  • NachoYogiNachoYogi
    Posts: 2
    Hard to tell from that photo - I tend to focus on a different part of the pic . . .
  • AndrewVAndrewV
    Posts: 197
    Fuji service is pretty fantastic. I own a bit of Canon pro gear (L lenses and such) and have dealt with Canon service a number of times. When I got my Fuji I was blown away by the support from fuji service. Leaps, bounds, head and shoulders beyond Canon.


    Basically what I'm saying is... call them and send it in.
  • brentbrent
    Posts: 60
    damn really? instead of swabbing? what a mess... ;(
  • flysurferflysurfer
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    At least here in Germany and several other European countries, the first sensor cleaning of the XP1 by Fuji is free.
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    Mastering the X-Pro1 reading samples: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hyri7yiavpi3daz/Mastering the X-Pro1 reading samples.pdf
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  • DotDot
    Posts: 3
    My new XPro1 was delivered with dust on the sensor. I think it should have been replaced under gurantee, but the retailer said I had to return it to them to have the sensor cleaned. I have done this, but not happy with this having happened. DW
  • RogerRabbitRogerRabbit
    Posts: 629
    brent said:

    do you think its and 'orb' or just a spot.



    That is what is know as dust bunnie. Orbs are totally different.
    When you use blower remember that the sensor is reverse to picture. Top right on picture is bottom left on sensor when you look in front of camera. Use magnify glass to look at bottom left of sensor and you will see dust. Use blower on in while holding camera above your head facing down with shutter open so loose dust falls out.
    If that do not work then sensor clean with swab is needed so either take the camera to dealer or use APS-C size sensor swabs.
    "I can only agree with your first sentence." Quote karlbown
  • steve1401steve1401
    Posts: 826
    If it's dust, it should blow off with a decent blower... If it's dirt then a 1.5x swab will be required, but make sure you use a decent one like Visible Dust (and they 'aint cheap!). However, I do believe Fuji offer this as part of their platinum support, so would be worth calling them to check first!
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  • brentbrent
    Posts: 60
    the blower fixed it... but i still feel that at some point im gonna have to swab that sensor. i guess we will see if/when it i get next spot.
  • yangyang
    Posts: 14
    I was told once that if you don't use the blower regularly or keep it in clean & dry places, dust/mould/fungi and the sort would build up inside and the next time you blow it .... trouble. Just something I thought might be useful to those who don't use blower everyday.
  • brentbrent
    Posts: 60
    Well. i found out that the spot appears only on the 18mm lens. and shows up at f.16. now i think its a problem in the lens itself. could it be?
  • brentbrent
    Posts: 60
    ok... sorry, more tests: the spot is on the sensor. i feel stupid for this post: i thought the spot was in the lens! i did all kinds of blowing. i can't be without my camera for a week so i'm going to get pec pad stuff. wish me luck all...

    spot on sensor!?


    http://www.flickr.com/photos/c-brent/7374384600/in/photostream
  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
    Posts: 1,897
    Just swab the sensor. It's no big deal. I do it all the time as needed.

    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

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  • orcinusorcinus
    Posts: 9
    yang said:

    I was told once that if you don't use the blower regularly or keep it in clean & dry places, dust/mould/fungi and the sort would build up inside and the next time you blow it .... trouble.



    That's absurd. Mould and funghi don't grow on sensors. The funghi in lenses don't actually infest the glass, they grow out of the dust and gunk in the lens barrel and spread over the glass because there's nowhere else to grow.

    The sensor and it's assembly, on the other hand, are pretty open to air and collect nowhere near as much gunk nor dust (if you think a few specks of dust on the sensor is a lot, try dismantling an old lens and see how much crap ends up in there :)

    Don't swab regularly, swab only when needed (i.e. when you can't dislodge dust with air). Whatever you swab with, it's going to be at least a little bit abrasive. If not the swab, the dust you move around will. Doing it more often than necessary will screw up the coating on the hotmirror.
  • orcinusorcinus
    Posts: 9
    (That said, i've got no clue how the hot mirror is implemented on the X-Pro1. On most cameras, the dichroic coating is on the back of the glass, sandwiched between the AA filter and the sensor. On some, it's applied on the front surface of the AA filter and is exposed to any/all swabbing, solvents, dust etc.)
  • donpdonp
    Posts: 70
    I change lenses a lot and I always blow off the rear of the new lens with a Rocket blower before I put it on. I also try to change lenses in a benign environment.

    Don't know if that helps but so far I have only had one dust bunny and it came off with the Rocket Blower. Keeping my fingers crossed.
    :Don
  • brentbrent
    Posts: 60
    FinePixCamera said:

    Just swab the sensor. It's no big deal. I do it all the time as needed.


    I knowright?! its like getting a new pair of shoes stepped on at school. ill feel better after i swab and get it over with...
  • stevejacobstevejacob
    Posts: 23
    Looks very like what I saw when they was dust on the rear element of my 18mm lens. Quick brush off and all fine. So far the sensor is OK (crossed fingers).
  • borgeborge
    Posts: 2
    I had the same problem with my X-Pro1. I only noticed it when I got the 18mm lens and started doing f/16 shots with a NDX400 filter to get looong shutter times though, but that is normal. The higher the fstop, the more visible the dust specs become.

    I cleaned mine with a rocket blower (actually rocket blowers tend to blow LOTS of small dust particles on the sensor as well, be sure to use one with a filter on the air inlet). The dust was still there. I then used four 1.5x sensor swabs from Photographic Solutions and Eclipse fluid, the dust spec was still there and hadn't moved. I went down to the shop I purchased it and they tried the same - the dust spec didn't move. The dust spec was not visible on the sensor surface with a loupe either.


    Turned out the dust spec was between the coverglass of the sensor and the sensor it self, and after close inspection on my first shots with the camera with the 35mm i could see that the spec had been there since day one so it must have happened during manufacturing.

    I received a new replacement camera from Fujifilm.
  • brentbrent
    Posts: 60
    damn: yes. cause my spot doesn't look like a regular dust spec. i bet its the same thing. What procedure did you follow for sending it in? Thank you for this post Borge.
  • borgeborge
    Posts: 2
    I actually argued with the shop a lot, back and forth, because they said the sensor needed replacement and that the camera had to be shipped to the UK and Japan (they said both and couldn't make up their mind), and that I would have to live without the camera for about 1 month. That was not acceptble for me since I purchased the X-Pro1 for this summer season specifically. And because the dust spec has been there from day one.

    I said "No way", this error has been on my camera since day one, I demand to either get a new camera, or atleast get a X-Pro1 demo body as a loaner camera while my own camera is being serviced. The shop was not easy to deal with, so I sent Fujifilm an email about it directly and they talked to the shop and I got a new camera on the same day and returned the old one.
  • ZaphyZaphy
    Posts: 2
    It would be helpful if Brent could share his expereince. Did you end up sending the camera for cleanup or was the sensor replaced? I have seen some dust in the senor and was wondering if they will clean it for free if the camera is still under warranty, like Canon.
  • ollipro1ollipro1
    Posts: 24
    borge wrote
    "Turned out the dust spec was between the coverglass of the sensor and the sensor itself, and after close inspection on my first shots with the camera with the 35mm i could see that the spec had been there since day one so it must have happened during manufacturing.

    I received a new replacement camera from Fujifilm."

    I had the same problem with my X-Pro, but my "dust" wasn´t visible from the beginning, it was hidden and suddenly moved and became visible, maybe due to use of a rocketblower(?). Fuji Germany didn´t send me a replacement camera but managed to remove this particle, so the cover glass seems to be removable itself. Service took 2 weeks by the way...
  • brentbrent
    Posts: 60
    Well: i just cleaned it. like i did with my Nikon. blow it out, hold it upside down and swab gingerly. spots were gone. funny that this thread opened back up, cause i have spots again. damn i wish they made a couple different x100's, with different focal lengths. i would get them so as to never have to clean another sensor...
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