New X Series cameras at Photokina?
  • ChristopherChristopher
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    FujiRumors.com is reporting that Fujifilm may announce two new X Series cameras at Photokina this September.

    Fuji already said in the past that a lower priced X model may come this year but according to rumors we got there will be another High End X model too!

    We have been told the low end model will feature a hybrid viewfinder like the current X PRO 1 and cost slightly less with slightly less features.

    The new High End model will have some completely unique features compared to the current X PRO 1 model.


    More details at Fuji Rumors.

    Could the 'low end' model be an X100 successor? What might the high end X-Pro1 offer?
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  • RogerRabbitRogerRabbit
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    Ty in perfect with X series lenses road map that show 18-55 zoom in Q4 2012. That is perfect kit lens for new camera.
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  • brickst3rbrickst3r
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    So the line up will be x10, x100, x low end, x pro1, x high end? from prices low to high?
  • AsudefAsudef
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    It would make sense for the x low end to be between X10 and X100. I mean the X100 retailed for what, 1200? Not exactly what many people would consider lower mid range.
  • brickst3rbrickst3r
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    I just assumed it would land there because of this comment from fujirumors "We have been told the low end model will feature a hybrid viewfinder like the current X PRO 1 and cost slightly less with slightly less features."
  • RogerRabbitRogerRabbit
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    Asudef said:

    It would make sense for the x low end to be between X10 and X100. I mean the X100 retailed for what, 1200? Not exactly what many people would consider lower mid range.



    I think they will be aim at m4/3 camera owner so will be similar price or maybe just above so there is logical upgrade from m4/3 to fuji then upgrade again later to X-Pro1.

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  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
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    brickst3r said:

    I just assumed it would land there because of this comment from fujirumors "We have been told the low end model will feature a hybrid viewfinder like the current X PRO 1 and cost slightly less with slightly less features."



    What features could they give up? The hybrid viewfinder is the most expensive one and should be candidate #1 for removal to save cost. If they keep that, it comes much more confusing.

    Get rid of the Q menu? The X Pro 1 is a pretty basic camera once you get pasted the hybrid viewfinder. Mid grad autofocus, mid grade screen, mid grade buffer, etc. What else can they remove?

    An idea: A non X-Trans sensor? That would be an upgrade in my book, although Fuji would probably sabotage it so that it made the X Trans look better.
    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

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  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
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    RogerRabbit said:

    Asudef said:

    It would make sense for the x low end to be between X10 and X100. I mean the X100 retailed for what, 1200? Not exactly what many people would consider lower mid range.



    I think they will be aim at m4/3 camera owner so will be similar price or maybe just above so there is logical upgrade from m4/3 to fuji then upgrade again later to X-Pro1.



    You think a new sensor? That would be intriguing. But I doubt Fuji will do that.

    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

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  • RogerRabbitRogerRabbit
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    No not new sensor but price just above m4/3 so there is a path for upgrade from m4/3. Would be logical step for m4/3 people wanting bigger size sensor.
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  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
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    RogerRabbit said:

    No not new sensor but price just above m4/3 so there is a path for upgrade from m4/3. Would be logical step for m4/3 people wanting bigger size sensor.



    That's an awfully large price drop. I dont see what Fuji can remove from the X-Pro 1 to justify that if they keep the hybrid viewfinder.

    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

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  • LodroLodro
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    And on the other end: given the price bracket of the current X-pro1 and the way it's doing in sales, I don't think Fuji would launch an upgrade model just yet.
  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
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    Lodro said:

    And on the other end: given the price bracket of the current X-pro1 and the way it's doing in sales, I don't think Fuji would launch an upgrade model just yet.



    I dont think that is likely either. But there is certainly room at the top end for a new model that corrects for the problems of the X Pro 1.
    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

    MacBook Pro 2.53 GHz, 8 gigs RAM
  • RogerRabbitRogerRabbit
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    Without knowing specs is all guess work.
    "I can only agree with your first sentence." Quote karlbown
  • LodroLodro
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    FinePixCamera said:

    Lodro said:

    And on the other end: given the price bracket of the current X-pro1 and the way it's doing in sales, I don't think Fuji would launch an upgrade model just yet.



    I dont think that is likely either. But there is certainly room at the top end for a new model that corrects for the problems of the X Pro 1.


    Fuji's best bet is probably to get cracking on some good firmware iterations first. I think a fair number of pros did buy into the system, not as their first camera probably. They have to wait for the next tax year to be able to buy a new body, but would probably buy new glass now.

  • JimrodJimrod
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    I think many people would just like an X100 with a zoom lens... :) (well me at least!) :D
  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
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    Jimrod said:

    I think many people would just like an X100 with a zoom lens... :) (well me at least!) :D



    An X10 is 75% of the way there. Not good enough A 28-110mm zoom lens for an APS-C sensor would be WORLDS larger than the X100's tiny lens. Waaay larger.

    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

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  • JimrodJimrod
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    FinePixCamera said:

    Jimrod said:

    I think many people would just like an X100 with a zoom lens... :) (well me at least!) :D



    An X10 is 75% of the way there. Not good enough A 28-110mm zoom lens for an APS-C sensor would be WORLDS larger than the X100's tiny lens. Waaay larger.



    Yup, a minor physics issue, I'm sure there's a way to bend those rules!! :D
  • robthebrucerobthebruce
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    I'd like an x100 with a small zoon lens too (to add to Jimrod's comment).
  • WellyWelly
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    FinePixCamera said:

    Lodro said:

    And on the other end: given the price bracket of the current X-pro1 and the way it's doing in sales, I don't think Fuji would launch an upgrade model just yet.



    I dont think that is likely either. But there is certainly room at the top end for a new model that corrects for the problems of the X Pro 1.


    They're not going to entirely replace the X Pro 1 to correct the problems, of which can be resolved with the software or the lens. You talk of this camera as if it's got monstrous problems. The only real, possibly significant issue is possibly the AF speed, but it you want to capture sport, get an SLR. Image quality is outstanding, ergonomics of this camera are almost second to none. All that needs improving is the software. The buttons should all be customisable. If you can't get a fantastic shot out of this camera, then you're not the right market for it.
  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
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    Welly said:

    FinePixCamera said:

    Lodro said:

    And on the other end: given the price bracket of the current X-pro1 and the way it's doing in sales, I don't think Fuji would launch an upgrade model just yet.



    I dont think that is likely either. But there is certainly room at the top end for a new model that corrects for the problems of the X Pro 1.


    They're not going to entirely replace the X Pro 1 to correct the problems, of which can be resolved with the software or the lens. You talk of this camera as if it's got monstrous problems. The only real, possibly significant issue is possibly the AF speed, but it you want to capture sport, get an SLR. Image quality is outstanding, ergonomics of this camera are almost second to none. All that needs improving is the software. The buttons should all be customisable. If you can't get a fantastic shot out of this camera, then you're not the right market for it.


    Read Thom Hogan's review for a little balance.

    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

    MacBook Pro 2.53 GHz, 8 gigs RAM
  • bobvanduinbobvanduin
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    I am sure that a cheaper model will have less dials than the X Pro 1, so probably no exposure compensation, no direct button for ISO and maybe not even a hot shoe. Of course these are wild guesses, but they have to do something to make up for the more expensive X pro 1.
  • WellyWelly
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    FinePixCamera said:

    Welly said:

    FinePixCamera said:

    Lodro said:

    And on the other end: given the price bracket of the current X-pro1 and the way it's doing in sales, I don't think Fuji would launch an upgrade model just yet.



    I dont think that is likely either. But there is certainly room at the top end for a new model that corrects for the problems of the X Pro 1.


    They're not going to entirely replace the X Pro 1 to correct the problems, of which can be resolved with the software or the lens. You talk of this camera as if it's got monstrous problems. The only real, possibly significant issue is possibly the AF speed, but it you want to capture sport, get an SLR. Image quality is outstanding, ergonomics of this camera are almost second to none. All that needs improving is the software. The buttons should all be customisable. If you can't get a fantastic shot out of this camera, then you're not the right market for it.


    Read Thom Hogan's review for a little balance.



    Is reading some guy's opinion suddenly going to stop me from taking great photos with my camera?
  • stevejacobstevejacob
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    Leaving rumours aside for a minute, a model above the Xpro1 at this stage would not seem very logical. It's only been out for a few months and there is nowhere to go until the lens range expands significantly.

    A cheaper version, probably without the OVF hence optimised for use with the zooms would be far more likely. This would be simple to build and probably quite a bit cheaper. How much other function they could leave out I don't know. Not much scope there I would say.

    If they also made it smaller (again some scope there if you delete the OVF mechanism) it would be more of an MFT competitor. Something around X100 size with a lens mount perhaps.

    Fuji also mentioned that they were looking into sensor based PDAF, so I expect this would be ready for the model above the Xpro1 but I would be surprised to see that before next year unless they are already selling out of Xpro1 bodies.

    However, one COULD imagine an X100 replacement with the Xtrans sensor and an OVF but with a fixed lens.


  • biscuitbiscuit
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    I could see a model above the Xpro1 as having an optical rangefinder for MF, and the model below being an ILC X100.
  • ragecatragecat
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    Welly said:

    FinePixCamera said:

    Welly said:

    FinePixCamera said:

    Lodro said:

    And on the other end: given the price bracket of the current X-pro1 and the way it's doing in sales, I don't think Fuji would launch an upgrade model just yet.



    I dont think that is likely either. But there is certainly room at the top end for a new model that corrects for the problems of the X Pro 1.


    They're not going to entirely replace the X Pro 1 to correct the problems, of which can be resolved with the software or the lens. You talk of this camera as if it's got monstrous problems. The only real, possibly significant issue is possibly the AF speed, but it you want to capture sport, get an SLR. Image quality is outstanding, ergonomics of this camera are almost second to none. All that needs improving is the software. The buttons should all be customisable. If you can't get a fantastic shot out of this camera, then you're not the right market for it.


    Read Thom Hogan's review for a little balance.



    Is reading some guy's opinion suddenly going to stop me from taking great photos with my camera?


    +1

    FinePix maybe you should read Zack Arias' review for some balance.

    Or you cold actually use one and gain an opinion for yourself instead of reading reviews and then talking about how Fuji should replace it in less than a year for its "problems"
    Fujifilm X-Pro1, Fujinon 18mm f2, Fujinon 35mm f1.4
  • RogerRabbitRogerRabbit
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    I wonder is the cheaper X series will have traditional sensor with bayer filter from X100 and some control missing or in menu rather than as buttons? That would be one way to have difference that retailer could point to for price change.
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  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
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    ragecat said:

    Welly said:

    FinePixCamera said:

    Welly said:

    FinePixCamera said:

    Lodro said:

    And on the other end: given the price bracket of the current X-pro1 and the way it's doing in sales, I don't think Fuji would launch an upgrade model just yet.



    I dont think that is likely either. But there is certainly room at the top end for a new model that corrects for the problems of the X Pro 1.


    They're not going to entirely replace the X Pro 1 to correct the problems, of which can be resolved with the software or the lens. You talk of this camera as if it's got monstrous problems. The only real, possibly significant issue is possibly the AF speed, but it you want to capture sport, get an SLR. Image quality is outstanding, ergonomics of this camera are almost second to none. All that needs improving is the software. The buttons should all be customisable. If you can't get a fantastic shot out of this camera, then you're not the right market for it.


    Read Thom Hogan's review for a little balance.



    Is reading some guy's opinion suddenly going to stop me from taking great photos with my camera?


    +1

    FinePix maybe you should read Zack Arias' review for some balance.

    Or you cold actually use one and gain an opinion for yourself instead of reading reviews and then talking about how Fuji should replace it in less than a year for its "problems"


    Both of you completely missed the boat. NO ONE is talking about replacing the X Pro 1. Nor did ANYONE say reading a review was going to stop anyone from doing ANYTHING.

    You could not have a more biased agenda from the start if you tried.

    Balance. That was the point. Balance. And Thom Hogan's review was roundly praised as being THE most balanced and complete review of the X Pro 1 out there. Find one better.





    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

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  • RogerRabbitRogerRabbit
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    FinePixCamera said:


    Balance. That was the point. Balance. And Thom Hogan's review was roundly praised as being THE most balanced and complete review of the X Pro 1 out there. Find one better.




    That depend on you point of view.
    Here better for some means more praising and less critic.
    Thom Hogan always tries to be fare and say what he sees with his eyes and experience shooting. I think he was one of first to stop gushing and point our smear issue. I do not always like what he wrights but I think he is genuine and honest and not convinced by free cameras or trips to photo shoots like some well know people seem to be.
    If Thom Hogan has done a reviw of a camera I am interest in I always use his review as the referenec to compare against other reviews.
    "I can only agree with your first sentence." Quote karlbown
  • esky25esky25
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    New sensors would make things very interesting. Imagine EXR micro 4/3 and FF sensors to cover the low and high end. Would the current lenses be able to project a wide enough image on a FF sensor like on a Leica M9?
  • skullyspiceskullyspice
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    I dont know much about how these rumors work, but I find it interesting the Fujifilm USA website is not listing the X100 or X Pro 1 in their webstore. The X10 is there. Does anyone know if this is a recent development or has that been the case for a while? These does seem to be plenty of stock elsewhere at this point.
  • bgeorge77bgeorge77
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    My X200 dreams:

    X100 with--
    --much, much better AF
    --real MF, not fly-by-wire, but if it must be, then make it responsive
    --Q menu, like on Xpro-1
    --much better menu-ring on the back, maybe just buttons like the Xpro.
    --XTrans sensor
    --make the EVF look like the OVF, it's weird to have two totally different layouts.

    Hmm... Now that I think about it, what I think I mean to say is that I really like the X100 and just want a few upgrades to it.
  • mattmabermattmaber
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    FF X series aint gonna happen - mark my words.
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  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
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    mattmaber said:

    FF X series aint gonna happen - mark my words.



    Exactly. Folks who predict or want FF are dreaming big time.
    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

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  • mattmabermattmaber
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    @FinePixCamera yup, Ill repeat myself just for fun, Fuji have already said with the Xpro1 that they consider its sensor equal or surpassing that of an FF, now whatver your personal opinion and whatever the technical difference between a FF and APS-C sensor (regardless of megapixels) that is Fuji's publicly stated position and I dont see why t would change.

    I wouldnt be surprised if a 3rd party paid for Fuji to develop a FF sensor, but I dont think they consider it a worthwhile exercise for their own cameras.
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  • FinePixCameraFinePixCamera
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    mattmaber said:



    I wouldnt be surprised if a 3rd party paid for Fuji to develop a FF sensor, but I dont think they consider it a worthwhile exercise for their own cameras.




    It will be interesting to see where Leica goes for their full frame sensor now that Kodak has sold off their CCD division. Will Leica stay with the new owner or try someone else?

    Fujifilm Gear: F10, F20, F70EXR, XF1, X10, X100 (w/ Fujinon WCL-X100), S5 Pro, (w/Nikkor 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.8, and 50mm f/1.2 lenses), Fujifilm GA645

    And a freezer full of Fuji Neopan Acros and 400H film.

    Clearly someone who hates Fujifilm and their products.

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  • flysurferflysurfer
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    I have just finished writing the manuscript of my book on mastering the X-Pro1. Its English translation is halfway done, as well, so I pretty much except the actual release date to move a bit forward.

    I assume it would be bad business and not so smart to write a book about a camera that has already been replaced or become obsolete by the time of the book's release, wouldn't it? Then again, I might be just that idiot. ;)

    In any case, I am happy to report that I'll almost immediately start work on a another book about another X camera from FUJIFILM. In case anyone is interested, I can tell you more about it after Photokina.
    X-Pro1: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25805910@N05/sets/72157629380067295/
    X-E1: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25805910@N05/sets/72157631699329942/
    Mastering the X-Pro1 reading samples: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hyri7yiavpi3daz/Mastering the X-Pro1 reading samples.pdf
    X-PERT CORNER: http://www.fujirumors.com/category/x-pert/
  • mattmabermattmaber
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    intriguing.
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