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I'm sure many of you saw the new X-H1, perhaps we can have a thread to discuss why we need (or want :) ) an XT-2 + steroids. 

http://www.fujifilm.com/news/n180215_01.html

 

As expected, 'reviews' (or PR propaganda, however you look at it) are available on youtube, Fuji friendly sites etc. 

Perhaps Christopher needs to create a new forum category too ! :)  

 

 

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From what I have read in the press releases and the few reviews - it has the same sensor as the X-T2.  So what are we really paying for other than Eterna film simulation?

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3 hours ago, MadDog said:

From what I have read in the press releases and the few reviews - it has the same sensor as the X-T2.  So what are we really paying for other than Eterna film simulation?

Plus better auto focus plus the IBIS plus a larger more solid body plus the top LCD display plus significantly improved video capability plus numerous firmware updates that may or may not make it to the X-T series.

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On 2/15/2018 at 7:55 AM, raagamuffin said:

I'm sure many of you saw the new X-H1, perhaps we can have a thread to discuss why we need (or want :) ) an XT-2 + steroids. 

http://www.fujifilm.com/news/n180215_01.html

 

As expected, 'reviews' (or PR propaganda, however you look at it) are available on youtube, Fuji friendly sites etc. 

Perhaps Christopher needs to create a new forum category too ! :)  

 

 

 

Undeniably intriguing but I can't buy them all.

  

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It sounds good enough on paper, but I guess we will see later on when it gets into the hands of professionals.   I definitely like the larger body format and vertical power booster kit.  I think this would be an awesome body to go with the 50-140 2.8 lens.  Especially for portraits or anything else where you want a focal length near 135mm (35mm equivalent).   This kit with taxes will be close to $4,000.   That is a pretty good chunk of change.   I suppose if you are a professional, a couple of jobs would pay for pay for them.   Interesting camera though.  

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The camera itself looks interesting, with some great features. Personally I'd wait for the next iteration of this one, learning from Fuji history. I feel that the XT2 was the camera that the XT1 should've been (AF + features), at least from what was available from the competition. 

XT1 felt like a beta model, and having seen the list of items on the XH1 (and what is missing), it feels the same way. The XH2 may be the one to have some of those more expected video features (8 bit vs 10 bit, for example) and better battery life. 

(I only shoot amateur video, so for me video features are largely not applicable). I'm sure the IQ in jpg especially will continue to impress, and I'm looking forward to seeing the Eterna film simulation on the XT2 via firmware update. 

If people on here buy it, consider posting your review after a few months of use, especially if you are coming from another system. (I am looking at you @artuk, who said he'd only consider a Fuji if it had IBIS :) ). 

 

 

 

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This is a weird release from Fuji. They have introduced a new top of the range camera that is significantly more expensive than any other APS-C camera in their range with what is effectively an obsolete sensor. This will be the last 24MP sensor camera Fuji release and all the new cameras from 2018 on (X100?, X-Pro3, X-T3, etc) will have a new sensor of some sort. 36MP is rumoured but whatever the capacity it will be new. So what we have now is a top of the line model that will be stuck with an old sensor for at least 18 months after the other APS-C cameras start getting updated to the new sensor based on Fujis 2 year refresh cycle. If not will we see a X-H2 in 6-12 months?

This camera is going to have to be spectacularly good at video (and early samples suggest it is okay but nothing special) to even be considered by anybody as a viable purchase.

I'm with @raagamuffin this has public beta version written all over it. The other conspiracy theory option that is floating around is that this is Fujis way of softening the market up for greatly increased prices on the next series of camera body releases.

 

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K1W1,

I don't know what sensor they will add in the next iteration, but this feels like a repeat of what happened with the XT1, when they kept the 16MP (when others moved to 24). Of course, sensors are just one part of a camera and work in tandem with other components, so I'm not suggesting it is the only driving factor in a camera being considered current. 

The idea of price bumping is interesting. The XH1 is probably an indication that Fuji doesn't want to discount its wares in relation to its counterparts. In the same vein, we've already seen all the Fuji lens discounts slashed this past go around. 

I do like the IBIS feature, I returned my 16-55 because it didn't work well on my XT2 in low(er)  light. Let's see how the real world reviews rate the camera. Personally I'll probably be holding out for at least the next iteration. 

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I agree. I'm not really wanting to use video at all. I'm a photographer, I want to get good at that first.

And, as you say this is basically a beta video specialised camera, great improvement, better build etc, but I think I'll wait and see what the X-Pro 3/X-T3 are like first.

Also, I think you're right, the next generation of X cameras are going up-market, in terms of cost

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Is it just me or is this XH-1 model lacking the very essence of size and ergonomic simplicity which has been the hallmark of the X-series? While a slight size/wt. increase might be necessary for the stabilization mechanism, the entire beauty of the X-system has been the minimalist approach. Simple uncluttered controls and thoughtful electronic interfaces brought me to this series.

I will write the XH-1 off as a video camera and await a XT-3 with stabilization & increased resolution, but with the minimalist approach intact.

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On 2/28/2018 at 3:23 PM, pzaleon said:

Is it just me or is this XH-1 model lacking the very essence of size and ergonomic simplicity which has been the hallmark of the X-series? While a slight size/wt. increase might be necessary for the stabilization mechanism, the entire beauty of the X-system has been the minimalist approach. Simple uncluttered controls and thoughtful electronic interfaces brought me to this series.

I will write the XH-1 off as a video camera and await a XT-3 with stabilization & increased resolution, but with the minimalist approach intact.

I'm not sure the XT3 is expected to have IBIS.

The increase in size/weight has been incremental and noticeable - especially when better lenses such as the 16-55 f2.8 is added to an XT2/XP2. That combination alone is heavier than some DSLR + std zoom units. That setup plus the 90mm f2 is still my favourite general setup but if I'm using primes it is a pleasure fit them to the lightweight XT20 - or XP1. I prefer to retain the EV dial rather the digital readout of the X-H1 even though the readout shows me all settings even when the camera is switched off - just the same as my XT2.

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I don't know if the X-H1 is selling well since it seems to be in stock, which wasn't the case for XT2. Could be a variety of reasons why it is not like the XT2 which was out of stock for a while at the beginning of its life. I won't speculate too much, but I think most XT2 owners don't feel the need to upgrade just to get IBIS in a similar package. 

There are some features on the XH1 that are interesting, the e-ink display is great IMO, I don't use my EV dial nearly as much as I thought I would. Besides the headline feature (IBIS) though, I'm not sure the XH1 is that much different from the XT2. 

As in the smartphone world, I wonder if camera makers are trying to release a new model every year to seem like they are innovating, when in reality the feature updates remain relatively tame. 

 

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On ‎01‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 4:04 PM, veejaycee said:

I'm not sure the XT3 is expected to have IBIS.

The increase in size/weight has been incremental and noticeable - especially when better lenses such as the 16-55 f2.8 is added to an XT2/XP2. That combination alone is heavier than some DSLR + std zoom units. That setup plus the 90mm f2 is still my favourite general setup but if I'm using primes it is a pleasure fit them to the lightweight XT20 - or XP1. I prefer to retain the EV dial rather the digital readout of the X-H1 even though the readout shows me all settings even when the camera is switched off - just the same as my XT2.

I've also noticed that general trend - mirrorless cameras that started so small with models such as the NEX-5 and OM-D have gradually been getting larger, heavier and more SLR like, whilst SLRs have in some cases been getting smaller and lighter.  The result is that there often isn't that much difference between camera types when lenses are also factored.  Even more bizarrely, even much smaller formats such as m43rds have camera + lens combinations that save little over APS-C or even FF.

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In the beginning..........

35mm cameras were called "miniature" cameras.

What I would like see is a minimalist, compact, APS-C  product with 

basic photometry electronics for photographers who know what they are doing.

 

 

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The latest Sony full frame is smaller than the Fuji X-H1 and I believe cheaper. I don't think Sony have the quality lenses but of course they can take (say) Canon lenses with full automation.

I think Fuji is getting it right though with a good choice of bodies. You can have with or without OVF, with or without IBIS, several different size/weight style combinations with the same sensor (currently) at varying price levels. They are mainly separated by ease of use and all are extremely capable.

16 hours ago, farrell said:

In the beginning..........

35mm cameras were called "miniature" cameras.

What I would like see is a minimalist, compact, APS-C  product with 

basic photometry electronics for photographers who know what they are doing.

 

 

You just described the X100 series or X-Pro1/XE1 with choice of lenses. Not super fast in anyway but reliable and perfect for old style photography. Although I have XT20 and XT2 I still prefer my X-Pro1 for street photgraphy

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On 3/5/2018 at 2:09 PM, veejaycee said:

The latest Sony full frame is smaller than the Fuji X-H1 and I believe cheaper. I don't think Sony have the quality lenses but of course they can take (say) Canon lenses with full automation.

I think Fuji is getting it right though with a good choice of bodies. You can have with or without OVF, with or without IBIS, several different size/weight style combinations with the same sensor (currently) at varying price levels. They are mainly separated by ease of use and all are extremely capable.

You just described the X100 series or X-Pro1/XE1 with choice of lenses. Not super fast in anyway but reliable and perfect for old style photography. Although I have XT20 and XT2 I still prefer my X-Pro1 for street photgraphy

I have the XE1, X100S, and XT20.

It seems most of us are doing what Fuji wants us to do;look ahead to their next offering.

I'm currently working at learning to use my unactivated Iphone SE camera though my

well-published disdain for =28mm is as strong as ever.

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Already 10 days with X-H1 after selling my two X-T1 and I am really see and feel the difference. Camera is slightly bigger, but T2 is also bigger than T1. In AF-S focusing is really fast and in poor lighting conditions or in mixed light it's fast and accurate. The flicker reduction function helps and IS works great. I can shoot manually my 90/2 at 1/6 sec.

I hear a lot complains about poor AF-C, but luckily I'm not shooting in AF-C mode, even when I shoot fashion show and models on podium.

I have Godox flashes and X1T-F transmitter and all that stuff fully compatible with H1.

Here is my fresh shoot with XF50/2, Eterna film sim. and add saturation to blue in post.

 

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The excellent skin tones contrast well with the blue clothing.

The weight of the X-H1 concerns me.  Although users say it's not much heavier, the stats don't lie. It is 26% heavier than the XT2 and adds considerably to my current main outfit of XT2 + 16-55mm f2.8 and 90mm f2.

I don't actually need a new camera - in fact I've been considering selling a couple of my cameras (XT20/XP1) and the purchase of the X-H1 would mean I also sold one more (XT2), plus an 18-55mm which doesn't see any use.

I also have the 90mm f2 and 16-55mm f2.8 which would both benefit from IBIS - except - I have yet to be in the position where I could not take a picture because of lack of stabilisation with any of my lenses. I only shoot as an amateur now and health problems limit my shooting to late starts and short trips, mostly as a fair weather photographer. Maybe the IBIS would be a greater help on my 4 primes but again, I don't photographically stretch myself much now so would IBIS be overkill?

There is one situation where IBIS would be a big advantage and that is to use with my Canon FD 300mm f4L lens (+ TCs) for the birds visiting my garden and some nearby wildlife areas. As I understand it, I will have 3 axis stabilisation and hopefully a better hit rate for stationary birds along with the ability to handhold for short periods, thus freeing me from the restrictions of a tripod/monopod but it's a big outlay for me on a not very generous pension.

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8 hours ago, veejaycee said:

The weight of the X-H1 concerns me.  Although users say it's not much heavier, the stats don't lie. It is 26% heavier than the XT2 

When I read all complains about H1 in Facebook I wasn't sure that I want to buy a camera full of bugs. Than I went to shop and purchased X-T2 with battery grip. But it made me feel very inconvenient to hold in arm, so in 5 days I returned T2 in shop and took H1 with battery grip. Suddenly I felt that this camera is as my arm, it fits perfectly, it is much more comfortable to use 90/2 with H1 (I even started regret that I sold 50-140/2.8 because it was not comfortably to use it with X-T1) :)

Yes, it is heavier but due to extended grip you even don't notice it. 

I liked very much 4 way navi pad on T2, but for some reason H1 has so low-profile 4 way navi buttons :angry: Luckily there is joystick and I'm using it 95% of time. You also can't assign any Fn button to turn ON/OFF stabilisation, so I set it up in "My Menu". Still I can't find any real disadvantage in X-H1.

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1 hour ago, veejaycee said:

Help me - I'm weakening. :unsure:

VJC, 

the X-H1 is just like the X-T1, half baked (IMO). The T2 IMO was what the T1 should've been, in terms of both video (even if you don't shoot it) and in terms of AF. 

Wait for the X-H2, you won't regret it, FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out) is a monster, but you can defeat it :) 

 

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