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artm

"...$100-200 for a fine leather case is peanuts"

Again, you miss the point. Is it peanuts if the camera is worth $100? Are you saying you'd buy a Leica M case for $600+? That's less than the 16% I mentioned above. I'm not calling you a snob but I'm sure many Leica snobs would.

There comes a point where it makes no sense.

As for protection, come on now! A half case offers very little security. Even the Eveready cases of old, if I dropped my top heavy Nikon F2's they'd be seriously damaged, no thanks to the case. Those cases had a full back and offered protection when closed. These half cases have an open back by necessity. Go ahead and drop one if you're so confident.

The real reason for the appeal of these is appearance. Let's be honest there at least. And people spend a lot of peanuts for that!

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HFM

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I can't really see why you feel the need to question people's motives for buying cases or how much they pay for them. Surely it's none of your business :) You are just taking your own points of view and personal perceptions of value and extrapolating to it all other X10/X100 users :P Aka looking for an argument..

Let's get back to discussing the cases instead..

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mattmaber

I don't think its fair to judge the price of the case by % of the cameras value. The case costs X to make regardless of how much the camera costs.

Buy what you want, spend what u want. I got the HorusBennu half case for my X100 which I think is very reasonably priced.

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Paisley

I was also a bit skeptic about paying quite a bit for the original fuji case for my X10, but once i got it i was sure that i made the right choice. I have already spent quite a bit of money on this camera. Whats an extra 100 dollars for good protection and a quality product. I believe in putting in some extra bucks the first time for a well-made product, then ending up spending time and money on several products that has limited livingtime.

In the end it doesnt matter what the cost for your accessories are as long as you take pictures. We own a fuji camera to make great pictures, not to show off our cameras in the public. The look and design are just a bonus.

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pcg

Agreed. I think bashing anyone who wants a nice half-case is rather odd. They have a number of advantages that are immediately apparent once you starting using them. The body is well protected from casual scratches or mars, the slightly wider overall size makes gripping easier and, for me, the slightly extra weight allows me to handhold with greater confidence. Sure, they look good and hark back to the 1950s retro look--which makes the X-series appealing in the first place.

I'd take the half-case criticism seriously if it was coming from users who had purchased a Gariz, for instance, and rejected it after a couple months of intense use. But speculation by someone who's never owned one? Speculation that seems influenced by some faux camera to case ratio cost comparison? I have used everything from Leicas to Pentax to Canons--and now Fujis--for over 25 years, and wouldn't take a camera out on the streets without a half-case.

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artm

I am not bashing. I'm simply voicing opinions on:

1. the outrageous cost of these cases. If you can have teh best case ever made for $500 would you buy it for a Leica M? Probably. For a Fuji? No. Why? Because there is a point where the cost ratio is prohibitive - to a sensible person.

2. the lack of protection of these cases, especially half case types. When have you heard of anyone dropping his camera and being saved by a half-case?

Yes, I own an X10. Am I ga-ga over it to go to any extreme to fulfill my illusion of this camera? No. Would I like a half case? Sure, at reasonable cost. Will I be secure that it protects my camera to any GOOD degree? No. It just looks good.

I see flaws in all of the available cases, including high cost ones. It's a result of a rush to market.

I'd like to see a non-leather case, without the associated bulk and fitting issues. Something neoprene with a snug fit would work. Of course, it can have a leather look for those who care, including me.

Give me one with:

1. an open bottom to access the battery compartment.

2. a symmetrical fit, left and right. Many don't have this obvious requirement.

3. a front cover as in the Eveready ones. A half case simply offers no protection to the lens without this.

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mattmaber

euch, a neoprene case sound awful.

my cheapish half case for my X100 has battery/memory card access and a tripod thread.

how do you mean a symmetrical fit?

not sure what 3 means either.

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pcg

artm misses the point of a half-case... the moment I read "neoprene" I realized that this was a conversation that had no meaning. I'd recommend not responding further. As I wrote a couple of posts earlier, "I'd take the half-case criticism seriously if it was coming from users who had purchased a Gariz, for instance, and rejected it after a couple months of intense use. But speculation by someone who's never owned one?" Don't be baited.

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artm

Symmetrical: I see some cases with, viewing the camera from the front, the left side goes up and over the lug while the right side doesn't. The left side around the lens does not match the right. Just lack of design attention.

Neoprene: not the old style neoprene. I've seen some new fangled stuff that looks real nice with any texture you like. My point here is that you can get a much better fit with this instead of leather; more form fitting. You also get real shock protection.

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mattmaber

@artm I prefer it not to be symmetrical, gives it a sense of style. Claiming it not being symmetrical shows a lack of design attention is Im afraid an egregious argument.

Symmetrical design != good design.

good design == good design, regardless of symtricallity or not. You don't let something as tenuous as that guide the whole design.

hmm, not sure Ive seen this new neoprene, All I now is all the laptop cases Ive seen in neoprene look and feel cheap and I don't see how it protects better than good old leather.

I haven't owned an expensive Gariz case and cannot justify the cost, but I appreciate the workmanship and effort thats gone into it.

My cheapish half case is fine for me

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pcg

Nice case (and strap), Matt. Stealth w/ the slightest touch of conscious design in that red wrap on the strap connection.

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mattmaber

Thanks. I plan on moving the red Gordy strap to my Nikon D90 and getting a black black for the x100

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WilzWorkz7

i might add. a half case is just a case that is covering half of the camera. so there's not much of a protection since it only covers half the camera.

secondly, my top half of the camera has already seen better days now. Between having a camera that is pristine and not get used or one that takes beautiful pictures and get nicked for that, I choose the later anytime. I buy a camera to take pictures, not to use it to gain recognition as someone that has the x100. I would rather gain recognition for the photos i take with the x100.

That said, the horusbennu case and the gariz case has 4 main things that will prove useful to the photographer.

a) It actually lengthens the height of the camera, thereby giving it more grip for big hands.

B) It has that finger hump/grip at the front that gives a better handling to the camera

c) It has the hole at the button to gain access to the battery/SD card compartment

d) The screw has a D ring so that one can make use of their Blackrapid strap if they have one.

Accessories are bought based on how wants to associate its looks/use for the things they own. I beautify my car too with accessories and will do the same with things I own. I see nothing wrong there. I also see nothing wrong if someone says they don't do the same to their car/camera. It is really a matter of preference, a matter of budget, a matter of how money is spent within a budget.

I guess the underlying perspective of what has happened here is this. When comments are made to say something that is not that good or not worth it, it is pertaining to the item based on the perception of the one commenting and not a negative comment about the person who bought the item. I guess this is where all of us in this thread has failed to realise.

Let's just start to understand that comments are based on the life experiences, budget, limitations, requirements and circumstances that a poster has. Once we understand that, it gives us better appreciation about the comments being posted.

Blessed are the peacemakers...

Have a great New Year celebrations ahead.

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artm

WilzWorkz7: My comnemts were MOSTLY directed at the product but also at those who seem to buy these obscenely priced and hyped products to be poseurs.

Honestly, $50, $90 and up for a piece of leather MADE IN CHINA?! That is absurd to say the least. At least Luigi's cases are Italian but they are still grossly overpriced.

pcg: looking at the back of your case, it appears the aperture/shutter dial is partially blocked by it. If that's so then it's a serious design flaw. But, of course, your setup still looks awesome! (that was sarcasm)

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collierportraits

artm, I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but absurd to you is pennies to someone else. Why do you want to argue on here so badly? We want to discuss cases. If you don't, then go somewhere else. No harm. Go... look at making your own neoprene case or something.

Now, back to the cases:

pcg - how much is that Ciesta case, can I ask? It does look nice, although I'm not crazy about that particular color. They make quite a few colors though if I remember correctly.

I've debated a half case for some time and am now tempted based on this thread. I've found that the Thumbs Up grip has solved all of my grip problems. (lol, there's absurd for you, artm! $120 for a piece of metal but it works amazingly well and I love it.) However, I'd be great with improving the grip, as I do have large hands...

pcg: Definitely order the Gordy strap. It's awesome. VERY secure and so customizable at such a bargain. However, I'd suggest ordering the string attachment instead of the ring. No chance of scratching the camera up and attaches easily and is very strong.

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kiwi

Honestly, $50, $90 and up for a piece of leather MADE IN CHINA?! That is absurd to say the least. At least Luigi's cases are Italian but they are still grossly overpriced.

So you are not only a cheapskate but you are also racist as well?

Really it's about time that there was some moderation in this thread it's got way past the point of being worthwhile.

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WilzWorkz7

WilzWorkz7: My comnemts were MOSTLY directed at the product but also at those who seem to buy these obscenely priced and hyped products to be poseurs.

Well, what makes you a judge who is or isn't a poseur? Everyone earn their keeps so that they can enjoy things they have sweat their hearts out for. Everyone's perceived value of products is different and everyone's tastes is different. To value judge based on taste in this instance is just a fruitless endeavour at best and provocative at worse.

The good book says: "Don't judge lest one is judged by the same standards"

They are better ways to tell people money can be better spent elsewhere.

As for MADE IN CHINA leather goods, you may be wearing Made in China underwear, brush with MIC toothbrushes and even the iPad is made in China. Are they any bad? Not all things made in the US of A are of good quality and thus, not all Made in China stuff are bad too. I do have a made in china leather bag that I have been using for a couple of years now with no problems. So it really is a moot point.

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artm

kiwi: OK, enough of this. I didn't bring race into this YOU DID. My argument about made in China is strictly economics; if you see race in that then you're an idiot.

Now, pcg, you conveniently ignored the part of my question about the dial and your case. I wonder why?

Also, regarding your $120 Thumbs Up, why don't read up on this thread:

http://www.fujixseries.com/discussion/850/another-thumbs-up-competitor#Item_18

This company will soon make one for the X10. And look, it's better and cheaper than yours.

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pcg

The Ciesta case doesn't effect use of the main-command dial whatsoever; it's nicely cut to rest above the dial. Quite pleasing in that regard.

collier: the case cost $92, which included shipping (that's my memory). Inexpensive given the quality leather and the high level of craftsmanship. It's Korean-made and matches the sewing of my old Luigi cases. (Btw, I did order that additional Gordy strap.)

I'd give it an 8.5 out of 10; my only critique is that the bottom is not instantly accessible as it is in the Gariz cases. That aside, the pleasant increase in camera width and weight makes gripping far nicer. It's well-designed and well-made. And if I hadn't seen the rather ingenious Gariz design, I'd rate the Ciesta at a 10.

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mattmaber

Im not sure Made in Italy is a guarantee of higher quality than Made in China, just a good reason to charge more as labour is more expensive.

It doesn't really bother me where it's made and we're all free to pay what we want and value objects however much we want. If you work for the cash why not spend it on something you appreciate.

Some may say £2k is a ridiculous price for an M9 - looking at the poor high iso performance I may think that myself. Doesn't stop me wanting one though. Although I do think the crappy high ISO on an M9 for that price borders on criminal lol.

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artm

pcg: fine about the dial, it wasn't clear in any pics I've seen.

mattmaber: my point about China was the ratio between the labor rate and the cost of a case. Again, it is out of line. China has been notoriously known for bad quality control or subtandard materials in many things. Before someone jumps on me, I'm not talking about Taiwan!

Luigi is well known for his materials and quality, hence my praise of his work.

I didn't complain about the cost of the Fuji cameras, just the RELATIVE cost of accessories. Fuji itself seems to think that, gee, the cameras look like Leicas why not price the accessories as if they're for Leicas. I simply refuse to fall into that trap.

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mattmaber

My made in china case is fine.

My point about the M9 was just to say that people will rightly pay what they see as reasonable for an item/service. Its up to them.

I happily pay what many perceive as MORE for a Mac laptop, personally I can't put up with windows and find the hardware generally shoddy. Its a value choice that I make and its up to me, no one should criticise it.

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artm

Again, my point is missed. I compared the relative cost of an accessory, especially a case, to these cameras.

Would you spend $600 on a case for a $600 X10; hopefully not. Well, I find a $100 case too much for this price point of a camera, as I also do for Fuji's overpriced hood.

Enough already...

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