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I was hoping not to find something like this on the internet but sadly I did...

I am having the exact the same problem with this combo (XT2 + 16-55). Sometimes I get incredible sharp shots and other times I get these soft/blurry images - with different shutter speed and aperture settings.

So I guess my lens is a bad copy too.

The worst thing is I bought it used while traveling in the USA so no warranty and probably no chance to have it repaired here in Brazil.

I just feel so sad right now... :(

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On 9. 3. 2017 at 1:20 AM, Gusuemura said:

I was hoping not to find something like this on the internet but sadly I did...

I am having the exact the same problem with this combo (XT2 + 16-55). Sometimes I get incredible sharp shots and other times I get these soft/blurry images - with different shutter speed and aperture settings.

So I guess my lens is a bad copy too.

The worst thing is I bought it used while traveling in the USA so no warranty and probably no chance to have it repaired here in Brazil.

I just feel so sad right now... :(

Dear Gusuemura,

what is the result of your problems with the camera? I have similar problems but I am pretty sure, that it is caused by the X-T2 body and not lenses. Jiri

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It is impossible for us to even guess what the problems may be without a wider explanation and several different image files complete with exif info to show the problem. 99.9% of the time it is user error or perhaps user misunderstanding of how to use the AF.

Suffice to say that the XT2 + 16-55 f2.8 is an exceptional combo.

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Hi, my problems are well described for example on this conference: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59776315. There are others as well to support the argument, that the problem is in the Autofocus of Fuji X-T2 body and not lenses (eg. 16-55/2.8, 18-55/2.8-4.0 even 50-140mm f/2,8 etc.) 

The main problem is, that the focusing points indicate (by changing of the color to green and by beeping) that the camera is focused while it is NOT, i.e. not focused to the area of the indicated focusing poins. When focusing to the sky with fog the focusing indicator properly informs that it is not focused (by changing to red color and not beeping).

In my case the blurry pictures were taken with Focus Mode selector on „s“ + Drive Dial mode on „S“, i.e. single shot/single frame, mainly using middle size focusing area (3x3 points). Nevertheless the blurry photos are produced also for single focusing point.

It is also possible to see the indication of the focusing problem with AF Distance indicator (Camera setup. “Disp. Custom Setting – AF Distance indicator – ON”). This indicator shows wrong distance for blurry photos. For example: If we take landscape picture with the distance of 10m to infinity then after several half pressing of the shutter button (focusing) we can see wrong distance on the indicator – let’s say we get 1,5m-3,0m instead of correct 10m – infinity. The fosucing points that are located in the area of 10m – infinity wrongly indicate, that is focused (by changing of the color to green and by beeping). From the pictures that have some foreground it is also obvious, that the camera is focused to much shorter distance than that would correspond to the indicated focusing points. That would also explain fully blurry photos of some landscapes that do not have any foreground. Camera is most probably focused to e.g. 1,5m-3,0m instead to infinity.

Thanks in advance for your comments / recommendations,

Jiri

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On 1/1/2018 at 8:56 AM, Jiri.B said:

Hi, my problems are well described for example on this conference: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/59776315. There are others as well to support the argument, that the problem is in the Autofocus of Fuji X-T2 body and not lenses (eg. 16-55/2.8, 18-55/2.8-4.0 even 50-140mm f/2,8 etc.) 

The main problem is, that the focusing points indicate (by changing of the color to green and by beeping) that the camera is focused while it is NOT, i.e. not focused to the area of the indicated focusing poins. When focusing to the sky with fog the focusing indicator properly informs that it is not focused (by changing to red color and not beeping).

In my case the blurry pictures were taken with Focus Mode selector on „s“ + Drive Dial mode on „S“, i.e. single shot/single frame, mainly using middle size focusing area (3x3 points). Nevertheless the blurry photos are produced also for single focusing point.

It is also possible to see the indication of the focusing problem with AF Distance indicator (Camera setup. “Disp. Custom Setting – AF Distance indicator – ON”). This indicator shows wrong distance for blurry photos. For example: If we take landscape picture with the distance of 10m to infinity then after several half pressing of the shutter button (focusing) we can see wrong distance on the indicator – let’s say we get 1,5m-3,0m instead of correct 10m – infinity. The fosucing points that are located in the area of 10m – infinity wrongly indicate, that is focused (by changing of the color to green and by beeping). From the pictures that have some foreground it is also obvious, that the camera is focused to much shorter distance than that would correspond to the indicated focusing points. That would also explain fully blurry photos of some landscapes that do not have any foreground. Camera is most probably focused to e.g. 1,5m-3,0m instead to infinity.

Thanks in advance for your comments / recommendations,

Jiri

Thanks for the detailed explanation Jiri.B

I have to say first that all Fuji X cameras from the original X100 and X-pro1 have shown wildly inaccurate distances and DoF scales. There was also at one time a problem, mostly with the X100 series, where each press of the shutter button caused the displayed distance to jump closer. These problems were supposedly fixed with a FW update (2 updates back I think, although I still find the distance scale inaccurate). Even since then - there have been problems reported including some on this forum where the camera has been returned to Fuji for a new motherboard to be fitted to cure the problem. If your camera/s are within warranty they should be repaired and even if they are not, I think you should ask Fuji about a free repair since it is now a know failing on a few cameras.

I would not trust the the beep (which I switch off when I get a new a camera) and I only check the green light in low visibility situations. For me the jump into focus is obvious enough. I should add though that my photography these days is not practiced under exacting circumstances and rarely do I need to shoot quickly.

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Dear veejaycee,

thank you for the comments. I have the motherboard already replaced - the issue susstain. The percentage of blurry photos dicrease but not significantly. It is high and unacceptable.

I mentioned that the beeping was on to support the claim, that Fuji X-T2 camera indicates focusing (by beeping), while it is NOT properly focused.  Otherwise I never use this function.

It would be a shame if I have to focus manually with the camera of this price level. Jiri

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14 minutes ago, Jiri.B said:

Dear veejaycee,

thank you for the comments. I have the motherboard already replaced - the issue susstain. The percentage of blurry photos dicrease but not significantly. It is high and unacceptable.

I mentioned that the beeping was on to support the claim, that Fuji X-T2 camera indicates focusing (by beeping), while it is NOT properly focused.  Otherwise I never use this function.

It would be a shame if I have to focus manually with the camera of this price level. Jiri

Assuming the motherboard was replaced by Fuji - I believe they give another 1 year complete warranty after the replacement. This should not be happening to you. Tell them it is still not right.

Vic

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Hello experts, 

I bought my XT2 and 16-55 F2.8 about three month ago. I have the same problem, pictures are blurry and not sharp for both close and long range, however close range is sometimes better.

I am not a pro fotographer and desprately need to find out the cuase of problem.

How can I check whether I have the same problem or not?

tnx in advance

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5 hours ago, Mus2 said:

Can you please update us about the current condition?

 

6 hours ago, Mus2 said:

Hello experts, 

I bought my XT2 and 16-55 F2.8 about three month ago. I have the same problem, pictures are blurry and not sharp for both close and long range, however close range is sometimes better.

I am not a pro fotographer and desprately need to find out the cuase of problem.

How can I check whether I have the same problem or not?

tnx in advance

Have you checked the manual focus on a tripod. Then check the auto focus - also on a tripod.

What size focus square are you using and what focus mode? Post some pictures with exif included.

Vic

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17 hours ago, Mus2 said:

Hello experts, 

I bought my XT2 and 16-55 F2.8 about three month ago. I have the same problem, pictures are blurry and not sharp for both close and long range, however close range is sometimes better.

I am not a pro fotographer and desprately need to find out the cuase of problem.

How can I check whether I have the same problem or not?

tnx in advance

Hi, do you have blurry photos on all your pictures or are those blurry randomly (especially on the same scenery)? Jiri

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On 5/1/2018 at 10:22 PM, veejaycee said:

 

Have you checked the manual focus on a tripod. Then check the auto focus - also on a tripod.

What size focus square are you using and what focus mode? Post some pictures with exif included.

Vic

 

On 5/2/2018 at 10:03 AM, Jiri.B said:

Hi, do you have blurry photos on all your pictures or are those blurry randomly (especially on the same scenery)? Jiri

Sorry for late reply. I should have taken some shots with your recommendations. Yes i have problem with some photos. Close range is good (unfortunately i cannot upload pictures here due to size limit),  but landscape photography is the problem. When I took photos of  landscape, when i zoom in at the pictures, they are very blurry.
https://500px.com/photo/256777563/dscf-by-mus2

https://500px.com/photo/256776997/dscf-by-mus2

On 5/1/2018 at 10:22 PM, veejaycee said:

 

Have you checked the manual focus on a tripod. Then check the auto focus - also on a tripod.

What size focus square are you using and what focus mode? Post some pictures with exif included.

Vic

Hi Vic,

It took little time to borrow tripod and the results are here:

https://500px.com/photo/256778029/dscf-by-mus2

https://500px.com/photo/256776997/dscf-by-mus2

https://500px.com/photo/256777215/dscf-by-mus2

https://500px.com/photo/256776993/dscf-by-mus2

https://500px.com/photo/256776947/dscf-by-mus2

https://500px.com/photo/256776783/dscf-by-mus2

I have used the so called "wide tracking - ALL in box" focus mode for all the picture except the ones with duck.

Do you have any recommendation? Am I the problem or the camera has problem?

Thanks for your reply and also others in advance.

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Most of these have a sharp focus point but a narrow depth of field so only the focus point is sharp as expected. In 2 or 3 cases I suspect you tried to focus on the sky.

Wide tracking is for subjects moving from side to side within the frame such as a train passing across with camera held still - don't follow the subject with the camera. Wide tracking uses the background as a fixed point to track the subject against. Moving it can confuse the tracking. If you use this for still subjects you will probably get errors in focus.

For these pictures (and most pictures) use single point focus. You can adjust the size of the focus box to the size of the subject if necessary to acquire AF more quickly but second or third size up from smallest is usually good.

Click on each of these headings for an explanation of AF modes and how and when to use them. http://fujifilm-x.com/af/en/af_mode/index.html

Front mode switch should be set to "S" and top left mode dial should be set to "S".

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On 5/7/2018 at 12:41 AM, veejaycee said:

Most of these have a sharp focus point but a narrow depth of field so only the focus point is sharp as expected. In 2 or 3 cases I suspect you tried to focus on the sky.

Wide tracking is for subjects moving from side to side within the frame such as a train passing across with camera held still - don't follow the subject with the camera. Wide tracking uses the background as a fixed point to track the subject against. Moving it can confuse the tracking. If you use this for still subjects you will probably get errors in focus.

For these pictures (and most pictures) use single point focus. You can adjust the size of the focus box to the size of the subject if necessary to acquire AF more quickly but second or third size up from smallest is usually good.

Click on each of these headings for an explanation of AF modes and how and when to use them. http://fujifilm-x.com/af/en/af_mode/index.html

Front mode switch should be set to "S" and top left mode dial should be set to "S".

Thank you for deep technical info. With reference to your comment the camera and the lense dont have any problem. I am i right?

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4 minutes ago, Mus2 said:

Thank you for deep technical info. With reference to your comment the camera and the lense dont have any problem. I am i right?

I think some of your settings are wrong. Checkout the Fuji AF guide I sent you. http://fujifilm-x.com/af/en/af_mode/index.html

If you still have problems send the lens and camera to Fuji to check and include some of your dissatisfactory pictures for Fuji to see.

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